What factors make Off Road Ability?

Ben Up North said:
I'm soooo looking forward to full autopilot.
  1. Full autopilot will make the long road stretches so much nicer and leave me much more refreshed for the interesting bits (like setting up the camper. groan)
  2. When it's ubiquitous (love that word) the roads will be safer.
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The very latest, flashest "self-driving" Audi was fine on an Autobahn. Then switched itself off on the exit ramp ... too complex!

Don't even think about urban driving!

Another major problem is how to program a computer to selectively and safely break the law - e.g. cross double lines to drive around a broken down vehicle; just one extremely simple case!
 
autopilot is for those who dont need to drive car but they need like to go to work and shop , nothing more, and they need car for that. thats it i get it , those people need full autonomous cars who will drive them to places in future. someone like me , i need to drive myself and where i want how i want.
offroad and fun and adrenaline is this thing...and elon wont get it because he dont use it or like it. and i get it. im ok maybe when car will keep my speed fixed for long trip still i want to drive it steer myself. i just love it , im enjoying it, im spending my money on it.
russians know how to use subaru cars, and forester mainly because cheap to have and maintaine. noone useing other models there because good reasons, but not everyone want to be like everyone... is it . for my price i could had forester lifted and KLR 650 if i would be smarter.
 
Self-driving cars were the fad a few years ago until one Google autonomous vehicle (AV) sample was in an accident four years ago. Before, humans were liable in the crashes but the latest one was different as the AV was clearly at fault. That may have delayed the progress as they became entangled in a legal battle because the parties had a hard time determining who was responsible/liable, Google, the tester/driver inside, the programmer, the engineer, the camera manufacturers, the CIO's mistress, etc. What that meant was we still couldn't have these cars on the road because of the complications of insurance liability and these cars, of course, cannot get immunity.

scalman said:
russians know how to use subaru cars, and forester mainly because cheap to have and maintaine.
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Talking to a Russian about Subarus is just like talking to an American from the Pacific North-West. They just love the brand.

I found this long-travel coilover on YT:

I checked their website and they are selling the coilover kit for USD 3200. The front travel is 10" and the rear 12". Site: Silverback Coilover Suspension (long travel) - Subaru

Some cropped photos of the kit installed, taken from the website:
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The owner in the video said he would post videos of the upgraded car in action soon.
 
Not sure about the 10" front and 12" rear travel. The reason is I don't have top spacers and I have to pull down the hubs to install the lower bolts of the coilovers, and the photos on the Gorilla website don't show 10" and 12" of shaft length but more like 8" and 10". Just analyzing what I see....
 
Those custom struts looks so thin compared to what we have oem , do they rly hold well ,if so why then subaru made them so thick ?
And that better travel is sure a good thing but i still need to see how much better its adds to subaru capability like test same car on same place one with spacers and one with long travel. High speed off road thats what i understand where long travel needed but just your normal tracks driving slow you still have same max drop down with spacers just not so much up. I know thats important for 4x4 with low gears but for subarus and mostly mud that they going into.... thats question.
 
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another russian test of different SUV's in mud and soft wet grass. some lifted some not different tires too but most on city tires. as its seen heaviest car just cant drive trough that on those tires no matter how much off road stuff it has there. and small light cars just passing through most stuff. that poor Prado. and bad driving skills as well i think. you dont have to allways listen what others tell you where to go and how if they dont know your car they will put you in bad situations. those poor newer cars just not ready for anything like that , bad clearance lots plastics around and repair cost is very large. similar to our country off road mostly is wet mud , wet grass, if its not wet its not fun. so cars that do best in mud are doing best in here and there in most cases or they need to be proper prepared. and light cars can just do that with small lift and maybe better tires. more clearance can play very big role there , not even tires in some places if you good for clearance you might be ok there.
 
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4x4 TLC80 on huge wheels with lots power with super low gear vs custom UAZ 6x6 with original engine kinda weak with low gears. we can see where 6x6 is better and where 4x4 better there. thats 6x6 if it would have good engine would be diff song
 
scalman said:
similar to our country off road mostly is wet mud , wet grass, if its not wet its not fun. so cars that do best in mud are doing best in here and there in most cases or they need to be proper prepared. and light cars can just do that with small lift and maybe better tires. more clearance can play very big role there , not even tires in some places if you good for clearance you might be ok there.
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So that explains why we see a lot of Subaru lovers in that part of the world. Lightweight + active AWD = fun!

I like the technique of the driver of the red 3-door RAV4 - As slow as possible, as fast as necessary, mostly.
 
if mud not too deep and soft , subaru's just loving to just spin wheels on it, need proper tires for that though, not with city tires for sure
blue one with swaped EZ30 and rear locker it revs pretty sweet, not to agressive tires for this kind of mud still
silver one with more agressive mud tires 2.0 turbo auto doesnt look that much good there
2.5 auto silver one looks rly weak where you need more power to spin wheels more its just not doing enough, agressive wheels there not helps too i think.
so there 3 different engines shows how different they can act on mud
if you have agressive mud tires on weak engine on auto thats maybe not best idea to go with as probably you wont get enough torque to spin them fast enough so they could clean themselfs.
 
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new 2021 Crosstrek Sport with bigger 2.5 engine and dual x mode. pretty good job compared to new honda crv there

 
scalman said:
new 2021 Crosstrek Sport with bigger 2.5 engine and dual x mode. pretty good job compared to new honda crv there
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Good thing more and more models have the dual X-mode now. Subaru listened to the community more wheelspin was detected. With Mode 2 (Deep Mud/Snow), the car looks like it's an older Subaru with all the wheelspin but with more traction.
 
would be interesting compare that to turned off TC on older VDC models , interesting how it would compare, but thats cool for sure, maybe later they will add 2-3 more options there and it will become something like terrain response on other cars. but to call more off road version Sport ? hmm ok. so normal single x mode is not sport and this dual x mode is sport somehow ?
but then these days noone buying new subaru cars just to lift it and go into mud with them, most that lifting them are doing it just for look. buy old forester lift it put some more agressive tires thats cheap and easy way to do some fun mudding there and being on budget to fix any problems later.


one from our local forester club guys went from forester to old impreza and look how agressive tires hes trying now to fit there, before he tried less agressive and he wants now to go even more agressive with that. dual range gearbox makes them still spin there.
205/80R16 that some crazy stuff on impreza
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@Ben Up North the file may be a picture

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Yh i guess pic was like uploaded to that forum not shared from some place thats why not showing.
 
those city crossovers nowadays, if they pushed really hard those systems doesnt work that good subarus included
but that looks really steep hill with diagonal so that would be hard for any car , large 4x4 without modofications as well i guess. and different tires, different drivers. looks like subaru had worse driver and tires maybe,weirdly enough Rav4 looked like it did better job there going after forester with x mode 1st gen, and i thought rav4 cant do much
and interesting how cars went in line not by HP but by NM as hp doesnt mean much there i guess.
and then it was just some couple min intense uphill drive and some cars like VW and mazda allready overheated there.
rav4 was in first place there at least for that test , i guess because for newest version it has 2 rear diff electromagnetic coupling, so not just using brakes there like others.

thats some interesting new rear diff toyota made for new models, if its works as well as in test in all conditions that very impressive i would say
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so they making those Torq lockers to fit and work on newest outback diffs as well, cool
i would just imagine this car capabilitys with all that power lifted and rear locker.
 
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and then when you really need to go to those swamps and cross lakes and rivers those becoming more and more popular in russia now. well they have there all open wide nature for that, so they even making special events for them now. most of them are like home garage made from prices just some 2k euros maybe and others for mass markets for even like 10 times more.
man i would like one of those that has like full covered isolated cabin for sleeping, like use it as tent for camping , use it as boat for water , then use it as off roader for any surfaces even hardest ones. just need some more powerfull truck to tow it around
i mean some of them simplest ones start just from 1.3k euro there and they mass produced with lifan 17hp-20hp engine and russian lada gearboxes and axles
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and then to some more like camping longer trip ones for 8-10k and more
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