What factors make Off Road Ability?

But that must feel amazing being so alone there with anyone around. For me like lone wolf style person that would be just amazing feeling. Similar to cruising along ocean in small yaht boat or driving alone with motorcycle in places where are noone arround for hundred miles . So great.
So your foresters in australia can go places where those large land cruisers overland builds go ? Amazing, why noone showing that in videos?
Stock Subarus have toured in places like Australia, Africa, Middle East and Eurasia. Many people just don't show them on videos because they would rather enjoy the tour than filming themselves. They may have filmed themselves but wouldn't want to share it on any platform.

A good example is SubaRoute. This Irish couple toured the whole of Australia then to China, Mongolia, Russia then back to Ireland on their stock SF Forester back then when overlanding still wasn't a word that was excessively used.
I am sure they have more clips than that, especially when they crossed Australia. They may want to share it with their descendants not on YT, where it's also full of self-proclaimed automotive experts who are, in fact, just journalists who think off-road is just rock crawling and Subarus are of the same class as other CUVs.

They did it on a stock SF Forester and the only thing they replaced, aside from oil changes, of course, are the rear shock absorbers.

Subarus are capable vehicles. Their off-road and touring capability is not an illusion, especially to those who understand their philosophy like us on this forum.

The first passenger vehicles to cross the Simpson desert in the 1970s were three Subarus ...
The 2nd most off-roaded vehicle brand in the Pacific North-West is Subaru after Jeep. Third place is Toyota Tacoma.
 
 
2 very similar patriots same engine just black one is on auto and green on manual both have low gear, electronic rear lockers. But black one has large rims and low profile offroad tires where green one have bedlocks on rims and very high profile tire that could be aired down to extreme and result green one going everywhere slow where others even with more powerfull engines need momentum.
Airing down wins everything, nice looking but not practical tires are mostly useless.
And looks like g wagon power doesnt matter if city tires or tires that cant be aired down proper
Those russian Patriots 4x4 have just 180hp petrol engines nothing special there but its enough on low gears. Even crawling without driver inside.
 
interesting x mode 2 modes climbing test on new 2020 Ony XT outback
will we get more modes in later years then ? or its just will go electric or half electric at least.
 
interesting x mode 2 modes climbing test on new 2020 Ony XT outback
will we get more modes in later years then ? or its just will go electric or half electric at least.
I think that's impressive, considering it's on stock/factory tyres. On the first attempts on the crosscut climb, 2nd big obstacle, the wheels are begging for traction.

So it seems that X-Mode 1 = more TC fluid drive and X-Mode 2 = TC and ratio are locked (most likely) providing more wheelspin. X-Mode 1 is harder on the transmission but easier on the axles. X-Mode 2 is easier on the transmission but harder on the axles especially with more traction on the wheels.

This channel is good at comparing and testing things and Ryan isn't claiming to be some sort of an expert like other motor journalists. I think the TFL guys are already green with envy, considering that Ryan has a bigger vehicle range to test on, as well as a rather good testing ground.

Not sure if we will be getting more modes, Zombie Mode probably? If there is a future mode where there is direct electric drive, that will put the vehicle in a different league.
 
What factors make Off Road Ability?

Not road tyres in mud on claypans by the look of things.
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Lack of experience played no small part I'm thinking.
 
it got pretty far though haha. showel probably wont help there.
 
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Interesting video -- I like his Driving Sports YT channel. I wish he tried the X-Modes in combination with going into manual mode and using the lowest ratios. Wondering if that would've made any difference with the obstacles he tackled. Maybe not, but would have been interesting nevertheless.
 
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Interesting video -- I like his Driving Sports YT channel. I wish he tried the X-Modes in combination with going into manual mode and using the lowest ratios. Wondering if that would've made any difference with the obstacles he tackled. Maybe not, but would have been interesting nevertheless.
Welcome to the forum, @Naidu!

He says on the video that they will be testing X-Mode extensively so I will tune in for more of those. The next ones are going to be on mud, sand and snow, which are surfaces that Subarus excel.
 
What if the driver is experienced and he uses VDC with proper throttle control?

Check out how VDC engages still at an axle-twister with low engine speed (1:21). The driver is not the step-and-forget type like most people on YT.
 
how you know its driver who controls throttle and not VDC there ?from my exp VDC controls it no matter how much you can push it, it looks from side like you controling it though. But thats good thing, just at some points it stalls your power too as we saw in video.

that russian new 4x4 and ugly inside and cheap but they as brutal and simple as they where many years ago and they work. like comparison later in video against much more powerfull and much more comfy disco 4, at least on sand
as guy said in the end , off roaders just dont know what they want, they asking for simple brutal not comfy 4x4 car without electronics and when they get one , they want comfort then. problems is that russia is kinda not open for rest of the world if you want to buy something from it and take to other country it will cost a lot , otherwise it would be full of those cars all around driving here and in poland.
 
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how you know its driver who controls throttle and not VDC there ?from my exp VDC controls it no matter how much you can push it, it looks from side like you controling it though. But thats good thing, just at some points it stalls your power too as we saw in video.
Yes, definitely. The driver knows how to feather the throttle properly to so the braking of the free wheels under VDC is minimal. It seems that VDC in later models is much more reactive than earlier ones. I haven't driven the car that way yet, though, so it's just a wild guess. At that speed on the axle twister, the transmission uses fluid drive and the driver uses less throttle so the fluid doesn't heat up quickly.

The video is a good showcase of the car's ability to go slow.

as guy said in the end , off roaders just dont know what they want, they asking for simple brutal not comfy 4x4 car without electronics and when they get one , they want comfort then. problems is that russia is kinda not open for rest of the world if you want to buy something from it and take to other country it will cost a lot , otherwise it would be full of those cars all around driving here and in poland.
Do you speak polish, as well, @scalman or can you just decipher based on language family patterns? Man, slavic languages are so complex.
 
Yh i know polish, learned myself back in the days, cant speak so well but understand everything. Russian i know as good as my language we learned it in school for all years so it was no choice. But i like it. Latvian is harder for me then polish half words are different from us, and estonian is more similar to finish language those are not similar to anything in the world lol.
 
its older video but im impressed how well that tiny 1.3 engine doing off road there and specially where it cant rev much up, just mostly slow crawling , and how they could manage to put that low option into there . seems like that low works there pretty well combine with more or less agressive traction control. so its like better forester or what new forester should be maybe.
and that 0-60 in 8.5s is it that slow ? does foresters do better ? and with 1.3 engine. its pretty ok.
 
its older video but im impressed how well that tiny 1.3 engine doing off road there and specially where it cant rev much up, just mostly slow crawling , and how they could manage to put that low option into there . seems like that low works there pretty well combine with more or less agressive traction control. so its like better forester or what new forester should be maybe.
and that 0-60 in 8.5s is it that slow ? does foresters do better ? and with 1.3 engine. its pretty ok.
I have seen a 2019 Renegade in person. It's really tiny. It has got good approach/departure angles. It's still FWD-based, though. At higher speeds, the Renegade disengages the rear axle.

0-60mph in 8.5s, is not bad. At first, I was puzzled as to why many Americans were into 0-60mph acceleration times but then I saw that some of their on-ramps are really, really short!

The Renegade's suspension looks stiff. There is a chance that the body is not as rigid as a Subaru. It would be nice to be able to drive it as it looks like there is a lot of tyre-suspension-body translation.

Subarus have body rigidity that is rather high for its time, enabling the suspension to do their work more freely. I like the SG's body rigidity already. It is based on the GD/GG Impreza, which has up to 120% better torsional rigidity than the GC. Now, Subaru Global Platform (SGP) has much, much higher rigidity than ever, enabling it to do acceptable desert runs.
Notice how the suspension soaks up the movements and not translating it to the body.
 
@ABFoz Like you, I worked out the importance of the 0-60 mph for our American friends when I lived there for a while in the late 1960s.
 

I don't know what these are (mentioned in the still at 1:53):
  1. Air Oil Separator
  2. Billet Power Blocks
Lots of upgrades there; must be costing a pretty penny.
 
i dont like or dont count when lots money are put into car and then they say it s so capable, sorry but its not. Mods are capable not car itself. you can make anything from any car with $$. try to make it capable with as less money as possible, thats achievment .
here local forester guys said me many time , ohh grand sheroke XJ is not as capable even as stock forester ... sorry what ? yes its low , so make simple lift and put larger tires , same as you would done with forester and then check. low gear vs straight gear nothing to compare there at all. gruving trough light muddy fields any volvo AWD can do or other city AWD cars. nothing serious there rly. and newer subarus all just overheats so fast if you torture them , that gearbox overheats so fast rly.
 
I don't know what these are (mentioned in the still at 1:53):
  1. Air Oil Separator
  2. Billet Power Blocks
Lots of upgrades there; must be costing a pretty penny.
The air/oil separator is just making the PCV cycle much more efficient. It's like an oil catch tank but a slightly a bit more confined to the PCV rather than the whole system. It's cheap and solves a lot of oil gunking issues in the manifold, especially with direct injection vehicles that require high throttle inputs like when desert running. There is no power gain with this at all.

The billet power blocks raise the intake runner to provide more air volume to the intake manifold This is an easy 15HP but still requires tuning. So the billet power blocks can help regain the lost HP at the wheels due to the fitment of larger and heavier tyres. I think those people know what they are doing. Instead of modifying the air filter side, which also requires tuning, they maxised the efficiency of the manifold instead.
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The beauty of their setup is that it is still relatively stock. I know the car has so many accessories but the suspension is only lifted by 2" but the struts and springs are still stock. They made a car that many people can do to theirs.

i dont like or dont count when lots money are put into car and then they say it s so capable, sorry but its not. Mods are capable not car itself. you can make anything from any car with $$. try to make it capable with as less money as possible, thats achievment .
Yes. I agree.

It's all about balance, according to the Japanese. You modify something, you shift the balance of that particular system. Some monster Subarus with big tyres break axles and also lose their creature comforts. What you are referring to is tuning vs modding. Modding requires changing parts and the more money the more parts changed, hence the overheating modding industry. Tuning requires the user to know what exactly he/she wants. Then weaknesses are dealt with accordingly from stock.

When I was JZXing, I took inspiration from Japanese tuning so I only tuned whatever is needed. It's not faster but with proper tyres and suspension, I was able to open the throttle more from the apex.
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This forum has properly-tuned Subarus because the tuning is always with the increase of the function of the vehicles depending on the terrain.

here local forester guys said me many time , ohh grand sheroke XJ is not as capable even as stock forester
The XJ is on a different league. It's on of the most capable wagon-like vehicles that the public can buy. Humans almost always try to seek affirmation from others of their purchases and ownerships. You may have just encountered somebody trying to convince himself with his choices, haha.

and newer subarus all just overheats so fast if you torture them , that gearbox overheats so fast rly.
It depends on the market and the driver. Earlier North American CVT models have one less cooler making them prone to overheating when the driver tries to push through an obstacle at really low speeds at fluid drive. When any torque converter-equipped vehicle stalls and the driver still wants the vehicle to go forward with throttle input, he/she just overheats the fluid. The SK Foresters are reported to have the same number of coolers as international models but we have to check on that to make sure.
 
When any torque converter-equipped vehicle stalls and the driver still wants the vehicle to go forward with throttle input, he/she just overheats the fluid. The SK Foresters are reported to have the same number of coolers as international models but we have to check on that to make sure.
Thats exactly whats happening its stalls but sure i wanna for its still try to go forward. So thats why they puting those larger or better gearbox oil coolers in front main radiator at least on older foresters imprezas guys doing that here. Simple mods .
Mine raises engine temp pretty fast if im torturing it.
So thats why proper 4x4 cars doesnt have this problem and we do? For that torque converter?
 
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