What factors make Off Road Ability?

No, there is no turbo with low range from the factory. But nor is there an H6. When you are in low range first with a turbo 2.5, and I’m only going off my car, it’s like an old school big V8. It’s all there when you launch, and even going slowly up hill in a crawl the lag is very very minimal. You keep looking for Russia for inspiring off road Subarus. Maybe look a bit further south.
 
I would look any other video if they would make any videos there. Believe me i search for any. Not so much as inspiring its just hmm we drive on similar places same forests same surface mostly so no rocks no lots sand no rivers to pass or similar just mostly gravel byt most fun in mud, which i dont even do that much. They in old fories just dont care if car will get water inside or mud or even sink engine into water. Because all is cheap there to change or fix. Not so for me and i dont drive in muddy car all week as they do, i mean my local forester groups anyway. Or then theh meet up and do some boring stuff like 10 cars driving one track one by one just one take and go forward.
im sure those ez30 could still be some tuned to do better on that auto gearbox. Like that ecm not giving full throttle opening with pedal to floor just up to 60-80% but as it goes by wire it csn be tuned and ppl do it i heard.
And i allways think what if i would choose 2.5 model with dual range instead. Much cheaper models. But then would i then make from it mud warrior i dont think so. So its just fun to look from side on all this, and i think for same price i could got then WH grand sherokke crd with 3 auto lockers low gears and such easy to lift to work on. So yh i chose what i chose. Maybe i still will make something better with this one or sell it later.
Anyway those just some thoughts and im sure i would love myself some hardcore tuned forester. But then im hard person stubborn too, and mostly lonely wolf when it goes to driving anywhere.

And turbos harder to maintain more expencive to fix at least here ppl go for simple ways and cheap ways go around. Similar to what russians do lift forester eith dacia springs, using longer nissan links not some custom expencive stuff witn nice name printed on it. Thats more or less my point of view as well. Shame those outback dont fit other cars parts so well as forys
 
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another interesting trip of very different cars on different tires. i would like to try on something like that but noone makes those here, everybody going with they clubs and same model cars , if 4x4 then only those if subarus then mostly only subarus and so on. this more interesting i think for drivers as well as you can watch other cars and see how they perform being different from you . but ground clearance is ground clearance if its not enough large then you will stuck no matter mud tires no mud tires. good thing in mud that you can raise revs by spinning wheels because its slippery so if you keep some momentum its better chance to not stall and stuck in place. mud is more fun until you hang on belly of course. then its more problems to recover too.
and i think its very important that those who organize this knows all cars where to put them and where to stop them to not damage cars too much , they should care , not just tell everyone floor it and then its your fault.. and it can be hard to manage that balance between who can do what , and how you care for your car can it sunk and its no problem or can it sunk and its gonna be lots of money to fix it .
i remember our local club after i asked whey they let other forester stock cars to go into deep water , like maybe it will be ok but maybe not , so they said ..oh because to change those simple engines its cheap... so its like who cares, well excuse me i care . so its important who organizes and how they manages all drivers.
 
Yes scalman, I share your point of view, I also prefer 4WD'in with other cars than just Subarus, its more interesting and most of the time very rewarding !
 
Re: Lockers Breaking axles
Dedman broke zero axles with his selectable locker when on 215/75r15 tyres. Then he broke 3 axles in 3 trips when he fit big muddies. Another good reason for not fitting large tyres. The R180 axles are an upgrade over R160, but would still be the weakest link in the system, which is a good thing as they are the easiest to change.

Always good having a variety of cars of road. One thing I find interesting is that despite my mates Ranger being so different to my Forester we always need to run the same tyre pressure on the beaches.
 
this was interesting test on very extreme tires . he put there VTD in center so as he said he can push brake little and that would brake just front tires so rear tires can still dig itself down. lots modifications he did to gearbox and diffs there, so can can do that and engine still maintaining those revs and all
but to do that nothing there is stock
 
i allways was looking at those grand sherokke's , but people at least subarus guys here just bashing them down like you wont go far with stock , well you wont go far with stock forester either, but there you have that low range , just lift it like 5cm , with spacers similar to subaru just even easier , put biefier tires larger and you kinda good. can get diesel or petrol and it goes
i think other cars need lots more modifications to get to that level , even without lockers , but lockers on those are cheaper too, but even without locker it can do good specially in mud . so heavy lifted forester heavy modified would go there as well ? im sure it would but not just lifted
and those old sherokees here its like cheaper then old foresters even. maybe all goes to how much it drinks fuel , for sure , or how much parts costs, how often it brakes. But then all cars brake if you push them too hard.
maybe people who allready used both cars can comment on why one or another ? besides fuel usage
 
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I have driven both the ZJ and the WJ. They are very different on road, the WJ being much better. The common problems are the electronics and the rear differential prone to break.
 
jf1sf5 said:
I have driven both the ZJ and the WJ. They are very different on road, the WJ being much better. The common problems are the electronics and the rear differential prone to break.
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Yes, definitely the electronics and electricals. It's a shame because ZJs and WJs are proper 4x4s with their solid axles. They are on a different league. They drink so much fuel too so while they may be top class off-road, they can't truly be used for touring unless one carries boatloads of fuel.

Off-topic, when the WJ was released, it was the fastest SUV in the world - top speed and acceleration and that was just from the ordinary production V8.
 
Yh when i was picking this 3rd gen outback and 3.0 one price was same as those newer WH /WK CRD models with quadra drive 2 . But that diesel can drink 20l /100km easily in bush, well mine drink 20l petrol in bush but im not driving on petrol i just couldnt afford , would be too much then, so i thought that wow i would need so much more money on petrol on that WH CRD, but with right tires and small budget 5cm lift it would be allready so good anywhere off road and i bet its realy good on fuel on highways.
Same thing earlier when i was choosing 2001 outback i could get WJ for that money again WJ with quadra drive not just open diffs. But maybe one day i will try those. They look so comfy inside and all people say they very comfy .
I would never pick 3.0 outback if i would need to drive on petrol not lpg its just too much and im driving it everyday and for no reason too just drive here and there when i have free time.
 
rivian at last showed some test doing its model off road.. so its got all torque in the world i get it , but what about electric doing low gear imitation is it like endless too then ? like how low can it be compare to petrol low gear off roaders.
i mean we bying some kind of cars and then modifying them to be better at one or other areas , but what if we would just get perfect car for all needs. maybe that would be boring then and not excisted that your car just do all and still do shoping and flying at highspeeds very stable too. so its nothing for you there to do just press one pedal and all happends. done you off road pro.
i mean 4 e motors for every wheel that can do what they need to at any moment, who can beat that ? but when we could afford it . i wont .
i never drove any e car yet and i would think from petrol car sit to that powerfull electric would be like sit in to space ship, you need to learn not to kill yourself with all that power there.
good thing they said they will lower this truck price because of tesla cybertruck price to be more on same leage.
 
Electric cars don't need low-range. Even the Nissan Leaf, when lifted can do some FWD crawling. Torque is available at 0 RPM.

At the moment, the battery/range limitations are what's holding people up from buying the lower-cost ones but that's about to change anytime soon as manufacturers are already focusing on improvements.
 
You mean up to 400 miles that new cars will have is not enough? Depends what countries, i think for europe is more the enough. I never put full tanks on my car anyway its just not needed.
 
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You mean up to 400 miles that new cars will have is not enough?
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Not for touring in Australia. At least until there are charging stations wherever there are fuel pumps.

Even then it's going to take a mindset change for many long distance travelers in Australia due to the time required to recharge.

when I was a kid, we used to fill up with fuel and then get straight back on the road and stop for breaks and meals somewhere off the highway.
When my kids were little, on the long trips we used to stop for about 20-minutes every 4 hours or so (driving 10-12 hours in a day). There's no way you could maintain that kind of pace with electric due to charging time at the moment.
 
but cars for touring as overlanding are different cars , and they mostly done for australia or some US areas. those are not daily drivers and they not put in worst off road situations there just for fun.
that rivian on highest specs is good enough for most world traveling. would be good here even with not that lot charger stations
And i saw people in australia doing local off road trips too with those large heavy and petrol models that drinks just tons fuel its not possible doing overlanding with those anyway. Or carry only fuel then with you
 
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Yes, we carry fuel with us. The Simpson Desert for example I had an additional 60 litres of fuel for the Forester. My Triton / L200 has 150 litre capacity for diesel.
 
At up to or over 1,000 Kms between fuel stops, yeah, we carry extra fuel ...

Roo2 plus trailer carries an extra 60L. If necessary, the fuel plus 40L of water fits in and on just the Forester - ditch the trailer if an emergency.
 
But that must feel amazing being so alone there with anyone around. For me like lone wolf style person that would be just amazing feeling. Similar to cruising along ocean in small yaht boat or driving alone with motorcycle in places where are noone arround for hundred miles . So great.
So your foresters in australia can go places where those large land cruisers overland builds go ? Amazing, why noone showing that in videos?
 
nice channel where from poland where they take one or two cars and see what they can do
range rover nice one, without lockers just its original traction control
its nice to live in large country like this you can find so many people to drive with and test cars out there...

they did old and newer foresters in same place too
 
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scalman said:
But that must feel amazing being so alone there with anyone around. For me like lone wolf style person that would be just amazing feeling. Similar to cruising along ocean in small yaht boat or driving alone with motorcycle in places where are noone arround for hundred miles . So great.
So your foresters in australia can go places where those large land cruisers overland builds go ? Amazing, why noone showing that in videos?
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The first passenger vehicles to cross the Simpson desert in the 1970s were three Subarus ...
 
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