What have you done to your car today?

[thunder039]

what size and type of tire are going taza?

 

[Rally]

Just remember that all else being equal, longer life equals less grip. Something to consider when that Camry (Not RB of course!) performs a Camry like manoeuvre.

 

[taza]

what size and type of tire are going taza?

Probably the BFG T/A in a 215/75R15. I currently have 215/70R15. This is just going to kill any of the power I have left from the 2.0l but they should go good offroad. I just went for abit of an offroad before and the biggest issue with rutty hill climbs is A. Diagonal spin from the open diffs and B. engine power. I am not able to creep up under 2800rpm otherwise I have no extra power to give when I put my foot down and it just stalls and the revs drop lower.
I've already got my plans finalized for where I want my Forester to be by the end of the year...

Basically like so but slightly different.

Rally even if I got 70k km from tyres that would probably only be 3 years old by the time I reached their life span.

 

[Rally]

What I meant was the harder compound gives longer life- the harder compound also means less grip

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday Rally

What I meant was the harder compound gives longer life- the harder compound also means less grip

Well.

While I agree that there is some truth to this, there is a balance to be struck - UNLESS someone else is paying for your rubber ... :lol:

I choose tyres that tend to give me 2x to 3x (or 4x, in your case ... :iconwink: ) greater wear, with maybe one or two percent less grip ...

Now there is this s/reverse s bend on Moggill Rd in Brissy that has been the same shape since I first started driving. It is marked 50 kmh, these days.

I took Roo1 through it last November at 105 kmh exit speed. I was driving on Bridgestone Turanza GR90s. These are the tyres the cops use for their pursuit vehicles down here.

These do not handle as well as the Michelin XM-2s I have just put on Roo2.

I expect to get between 60 and 90,000 kms out of these.

Is there any real, practical benefit to me from much more expensive tyres that handle slightly better, and last 1/4 as long? Not for me, IMHO.

 

[Rally]

They use GR90? Amazing they catch anyone with them.

 

[thunder039]

Probably the BFG T/A in a 215/75R15. I currently have 215/70R15. This is just going to kill any of the power I have left from the 2.0l but they should go good offroad. I just went for abit of an offroad before and the biggest issue with rutty hill climbs is A. Diagonal spin from the open diffs and B. engine power. I am not able to creep up under 2800rpm otherwise I have no extra power to give when I put my foot down and it just stalls and the revs drop lower.
I've already got my plans finalized for where I want my Forester to be by the end of the year...

Basically like so but slightly different.

Rally even if I got 70k km from tyres that would probably only be 3 years old by the time I reached their life span.

did u replace the srear sturts in the rear so you can put bigger tyres on?

 

[Ratbag]

They use GR90? Amazing they catch anyone with them.

Did you read what I wrote?

Double the marked advisory limit through a double S bend? Poor handling tyres?

Pretty reasonable, in my book.

Yeah, I could have pushed it probably another 10 kmh faster, but I was in peak hour traffic at the time ... One has to exercise some discretion, and have some regard for one's own safety, and that of others ...

Different tyres (e.g. my old Avons; or the Vredesteins) might have done better, but not much. Maybe 5 kmh ...

BTW, I did manage to stay in my lane throughout (had to ... ).

 

[taza]

did u replace the srear sturts in the rear so you can put bigger tyres on?

Nope, new rear strut (KYB) but they are SF struts. 215/75R15 tyres will fit under there with 1mm gap as proven by a few members :biggrin: I would happily go Geolanders again but they don't do that size

I don't find I have grip issues with the Geolanders, not even in the wet. I have twice gotten the car to slide in the wet but that was doing over the limit and around a corner, which isn't a smart move.

 

[stilson]

Did you read what I wrote?

Double the marked advisory limit through a double S bend? Poor handling tyres?

Pretty reasonable, in my book.

Yeah, I could have pushed it probably another 10 kmh faster, but I was in peak hour traffic at the time ... One has to exercise some discretion, and have some regard for one's own safety, and that of others ...

Different tyres (e.g. my old Avons; or the Vredesteins) might have done better, but not much. Maybe 5 kmh ...

BTW, I did manage to stay in my lane throughout (had to ... ).

I think the advisorys are calculated by driving around the corner as fast as possible and then halving it. As a p plater my friends and I always took a speed advisory as a challenge. I've grown up since then. (a bit)

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday ST

I think the advisorys are calculated by driving around the corner as fast as possible and then halving it. As a p plater my friends and I always took a speed advisory as a challenge. I've grown up since then. (a bit)

It's is a bit more complicated than that mate, but not much.

They are set for the (estimated) poorest driver in the worst handling, but roadworthy, vehicle, in the worst conditions.

For many years it was set by dragging a heavy plank behind a Main Roads Dept truck and noting the speed at which it broke away ... I'm not kidding.
Probably still is.

A rule of thumb or two:

Treat every advisory of 40 or less as if it is the Gospel Truth.

Otherwise:

On a road you don't know: abide by the signs.

On a road you know a bit: take the signs as a guide - 30 to 50% over is possibly OK in a Subaru or similar handling car. You have at least been over the road before, so know if there are any really dangerous corners on it ...

On a road you know really well: take the signs with a grain of salt, some cracked pepper and perhaps a little lemon juice.
Do not use them for sump guards! ... :iconwink: :lol:

I have come across advisories that are absolutely dead on; for a good driver, in a good car, with good tyres, in good conditions.
There are two on the Skenes Creek - Forrest road near Apollo Bay.

 

[Barry]

Have to agree about the Skenes Creek Forrest Rd.
Likewise the road between that and Beech Forest - although that didn't used to be the case when the latter was still un-sealed...
A real pity ... a long term negative effect of logging old native forest.

 

[thunder039]

Gidday ST



It's is a bit more complicated than that mate, but not much.

They are set for the (estimated) poorest driver in the worst handling, but roadworthy, vehicle, in the worst conditions.

For many years it was set by dragging a heavy plank behind a Main Roads Dept truck and noting the speed at which it broke away ... I'm not kidding.
Probably still is.

A rule of thumb or two:

Treat every advisory of 40 or less as if it is the Gospel Truth.

Otherwise:

On a road you don't know: abide by the signs.

On a road you know a bit: take the signs as a guide - 30 to 50% over is possibly OK in a Subaru or similar handling car. You have at least been over the road before, so know if there are any really dangerous corners on it ...

On a road you know really well: take the signs with a grain of salt, some cracked pepper and perhaps a little lemon juice.
Do not use them for sump guards! ... :iconwink: :lol:

I have come across advisories that are absolutely dead on; for a good driver, in a good car, with good tyres, in good conditions.
There are two on the Skenes Creek - Forrest road near Apollo Bay.

totally agree there a some reccomended speeds that are absolutely correct, i have noticed this especially in the alpine NP, but generally in a good car you can maintain the roads speed limit through the bend

 

[NachaLuva]

What I meant was the harder compound gives longer life- the harder compound also means less grip

Couldnt agree more Rally. I cant understand people who get stingy with their tyres when its the ONLY thing keeping you on the road!

Most people will go through a set of tyres in 3-4 years...thats about $200 per year, the fuel bill for a month!

For some, the alcohol bill for a week :rotfl:

I know we all want flash off road tyres that stick to mud like flies to dung, but its a compromise for onroad grip, the result of which could be never making it offroad

 

[taza]

Couldnt agree more Rally. I cant understand people who get stingy with their tyres when its the ONLY thing keeping you on the road!

Most people will go through a set of tyres in 3-4 years...thats about $200 per year, the fuel bill for a month!

For some, the alcohol bill for a week :rotfl:

I know we all want flash off road tyres that stick to mud like flies to dung, but its a compromise for onroad grip, the result of which could be never making it offroad

Many people run BFG's though, it's not like they are a cheap non-name brand tyre which is likely to blow out at highway speeds.
3-4 sets a year That's alot, I guess if my L-Series was my daily driver it would be like that as I am constantly spinning the front wheels of it

$200, thats my fuel bill for a week basically ......... seriously most of the time it is.
I am very very happy with my Geolanders but they don't do the size I want, only in the US
I don't see the point in cheap tyres though, I can just notice with the ones in my L, they won't last long and don't grip very well. But they are only 175mm wide, unlike our 215's on our newer Subies, the car is light and FWD without traction control and they only cost $30 each. Great for the price though!

Taz

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday NL

Couldnt agree more Rally. I cant understand people who get stingy with their tyres when its the ONLY thing keeping you on the road!

I never get stingy about them.
I just see no point in paying double the money for a 1% improvement in performance. For some, the latter is important (makes the difference between coming first or last in a race ... ), for me it's not.

Every tyre I have ever put on a car will brake and handle better than I am prepared to risk.
I also test them in inclement conditions after they have settled in for a few hundred Kms.

I also expect them to last a reasonable number of miles ...
Tyres are the second highest running cost for most cars.

Most people will go through a set of tyres in 3-4 years...thats about $200 per year, the fuel bill for a month!

For some, the alcohol bill for a week :rotfl:

I know we all want flash off road tyres that stick to mud like flies to dung, but its a compromise for onroad grip, the result of which could be never making it offroad

Quite. You really need a couple of tonnes of LC to hold some (most?) LT tyres on the road adequately. On our cars they can be downright dangerous.

However, the Pirellis did surprisingly well at both Bunyip and Noojee, and they are a full-on high speed road tyre. The Michelins I now have are about 2/3 the price, and are a better tyre in every respect IMO. They should also last a lot longer ... As best I can estimate, the P7s would have been flat out making 50,000 Kms (based on the assumption that the OEM tyres would have lasted about 60,000 Kms - but given the usage in Roo2's previous life, I expect they would have lasted about 70,000 Kms. Which means that the P7s would have made around 40,000 ).

 

[Rally]

Yes, there is a point of diminishing returns. You end up paying 50 to 100% more for negligible benefits. I look at people who have ridiculous sized rims- 19-20 inch diamater and just shake my head. Apart from the likely damage to rims, the tyres are monstrously expensive. So what do they do- put the cheapest, nastiest tyre on to save money but in their eyes the keep the look

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday Rally

Yes, there is a point of diminishing returns. You end up paying 50 to 100% more for negligible benefits. I look at people who have ridiculous sized rims- 19-20 inch diamater and just shake my head. Apart from the likely damage to rims, the tyres are monstrously expensive. So what do they do- put the cheapest, nastiest tyre on to save money but in their eyes the keep the look

Quite right. It is absurd IMNSHO.

I have always been a believer than form should follow function; and that form that restricts function is just fashion.

Never been into fashion, myself ... :lol: :rotfl:
Somewhat more of the practical type ... :iconwink:

 

[mr turbo]

I look at people who have ridiculous sized rims- 19-20 inch diamater and just shake my head. Apart from the likely damage to rims, the tyres are monstrously expensive. So what do they do- put the cheapest, nastiest tyre on to save money but in their eyes the keep the look

Quite right. It is absurd IMNSHO.

I totally agree.

On top of that, the profile size on these tyres (19-20inch) being so low only makes for a harsher ride.
By the time you've driven just a few km's you feel as though you've been in a "Flintstones" car Bamm, Bamm, Bamm

Regards
Mr Turbo

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday Mr T

I totally agree.

On top of that, the profile size on these tyres (19-20inch) being so low only makes for a harsher ride.
By the time you've driven just a few km's you feel as though you've been in a "Flintstones" car Bamm, Bamm, Bamm

Regards
Mr Turbo

But that's part of the "experience"; just like the fashion statement.

Who cares what a car drives like?
Not these clowns ...