What factors make Off Road Ability?

Yes, I think that a few Foresters, like yours, Rally's, SBOZ's, and Kevin's can do some of the difficult trails around Moab like Elephant Hill and Fins and Things as well as Lockhart Basin.

I wonder if Blue Fox, now that he has a low range gearbox, will start going there.
 
good to hear. long travels cost a ton too. and they need speed to work properly . and then something brakes down. i like slow offroad too. thats why i keep VDC on even if its cuts power on times , i never yet get stuck. its cuts power but its not let wheels to spin too much to dig themselfs . so its kinda good thing.
today i went to field . well field where cows and horses where kept on good warm weather . so and it is some snow left, but its no cold so ground is not frozen , so i went on some tractor tracks..on gras.. ans i feel how soft ground is. but im going with VDC on as allways and i feel that its working all times , still keeping car going forward , not sinking too deep and not digging itself in place. then i thought i want check some fun. i Stopped turned VDC off. and put on 1st gear fixed. so i wont change gears. i turned wheel to one side and floored it . it was going donut first on surface but on second go i saw that my track becoming deep enough , so i stopped. turned VDC on back and did same just with VDC on. car went circle but not spinning wheels at all and not digging itself. and thats how i like it when i just wanna go forward . not dig myself deep and get stuck. but then we need fun too at times. i always like to test what if i do this ...on safe places . by testing im learning how car acts and what it does and how it does it . so next time i remember it and know what to do best for situation.

how would you compare subaru low range/dual range vs 4eat ? how does driving on low range compare to 4eat lets say 2nd fixed. because you can start drive from 2nd there.
 
Difference between your Outback and my Forester is VDC...so for better traction, I had to do a few mods and then, like you, it became a game to see where I was able to go...and so on...!
 
at times when all that mud flies all over place im glad that my wheels are more inside so they most parts are covered , just when front wheels are turned then you still get all that sticking to your cars one side windows and such. still my rear wheels puts all that mud inside bumper , because its stupid design of bumper just makes it as shovel. i get back home today and yes what do you think i checked down under rear bumper and yes all that mud went inside it and now it sits there travels with me lol .
 
Love whats been written on the Touareg video...


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LOL you're that one guy! I take my lifted truck somewhere and feel like a total badass after the road I drove, and then someone with (usually a Subaru) drives by and takes away the moment. But nice video. It was very entertaining to watch you do it in your Touareg. :) Cool to see you get tires off the ground... I didn't get that with my rig lol.
 
Some latvians our neighboars went test some mud tracks and they had forester there too..
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It was patrol too it get stuck first then everybody drove passed it on side and people made jokes about how forester has more ground clearance then any of those 4x4's
 
yes same video that i put pics from. it was not hard pass tho as others passed there too. patrol tested that hard way. they told him yes go there .. go there. and we went .. then all laughed lol. poor guy . rule number one : never listen what others tell you where to go haha.
how my VDC handles soft mud uphill slowly but surelly
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long travels cost a ton too. and they need speed to work properly .

how would you compare subaru low range/dual range vs 4eat ? how does driving on low range compare to 4eat lets say 2nd fixed. because you can start drive from 2nd there.

Yes, long travel coilovers are not cheap but not that expensive as they are rebuildable, about 2'000 US$. The ones I have are "normal" monotube and work the same as OEM or Kayaba shocks. Pontoontodd's are inverted custom made coilovers and same as my previous Proflex evo2 set, they are more designed for rallying and are quite uncomfortable for an everyday use.

A 4EAT is superior to a 5MT even with low range because you have a torque converter making it possible to crawl without stalling. But I like to change gears...
 
That Foz is nice--and not exactly stock.

I like the Subaru in mud. The problem is rock. I do not care how modified your Subaru is, in rock you are just getting by, at best. Also, washes, ditches, anything where even a lifted Subaru is short on angles and rocker panels. The LC on the pic has the steps on, remove them and see what happens.

The guy with the truck: hilarious comment, lol. Guess I am that guy with the Subaru half of the time, lol. Most people find mild trails gnarly. As I did several years ago.
 
Subarus win for their weight and pretty good awd .so they can go fast and spin wheels a lot which in most cases helps them get wining result. Even gainst big brothers. On rocks tho you need crawling and some kind of traction control or lockers i guess. I would wanna try mine at rocks just we no have them here haha. We mostly famous similar to russians videos for mud mud and mud. And some sand some water and mud again
 
2018 XV in this clip going up wet stones like champ haha ... they made cool promo video for new XV at least
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nne3C-WRWsM"]2018 Subaru XV Off-road Performance - Symmetrical AWD Showcase - YouTube[/ame]
what subaru needs to make is better traction control, well they kinda upgrading x mode maybe with each year, still they could go more offroad way and make it even better. toyota can do it why not subaru ? and if they making x mode better then they should talk of it more and explain whats became better.
those where good examples of traction control
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this was amazing for forester. sometimes light weight and more speed just wins
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvrVs65TvWo"]Subaru Vs LandCruiser Vs Hilux on chewed out hill climb. - YouTube[/ame]
 
Although Subaru videos are nice, they are just as misleading as most others. So I do not think any traction controls will make any difference.

Sure, all current Subarus will do fine on a muddy dirt road, but there is no way you take an OB or an XV on a trail and you do not regret, to put it mildly, that 17-18 degree approach angle. What is especially annoying is that there is so much air and worthless plastic up front that could have easily been minimized. Probably form trumped function, which is almost always the case nowadays. Even the current Foz went backwards, which is especially disappointing given that the 2009-13 Foz featured some decent angles.

And then there is the whole CVT off-road question mark. It tends to overheat on long but not terribly steep hills whereas my 5 EAT has no such issues. The cheapest Forester trim does not even have paddle shifters for the CVT causing issues with climbs. And so while I have seen no evidence that x-mode cars can go where I cannot with regular VDC, I have seen evidence of CVT transmission overheating on moderately challenging climbs at good temps.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Subaru had a surprisingly capable product with the first three Forester generations and with some Outback trims, but on the whole they are happy with the snow/dirt road car reputation and have no obvious plans for more.

Subaru's approach makes perfect business sense to me, though. They are right not to care for the 4x4 market because the latter is driven by image more than facts and what this means is that they have no chance to break into it in the US, which is by far Subaru's top market. Just look at the Honda Ridgeline unibody truck. It has some very strong features but since it is a "soft unibody" it cannot sell at all. Meanwhile, antiquated body-on-frame trucks with 6" lifts and mighty mud-terrain tires clog the road to the local mall.

It is, however, fun, to be among the few who do a lot with little rather than among the many who do little with a ton!

Moreover, every time I regret a feature of the OB on trail, I remind myself of its superb dirt performance and very nice road performance.

There really is nothing that does everything in the US Southwest. The 100 series Land Cruiser kinda came close, but the only way to always have the best when off-pavement is to have both a Subaru and a Wrangler and to pick the right one for the right trip.
 
For what it’s worth, there are a number of factors which need to work together to make it work optimally. Number 1 is the driver. The mechanical modifications have to reflect usage and driver ability. No point having a trick manual gearbox if you can only drive autos. No point having a lift kit if the standard suspension will do it. It is though all about traction. You can have all the clearance in the world but if you cannot get the power to the ground you are going nowhere. This is true in mud, rock and dirt. I will leave snow, ice and sand out as I know little of these conditions. Lift will help you less often. The other constant is gearing, as this is important in a variety of conditions. And then there is torque, which gets you up steep hills and through mud and water.

That is my thoughts on off Road ability. And it is why I have built my car the way I have. Good diffs, good gearing, lots of torque. And some idea of where to point it all.
 
There are cars out there that work better with traction control then with just centre and rear diffs locked.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQ98Ol-72I"]Diff Lock Vs Traction Control - YouTube[/ame]
But Subaru's traction control isn't quite as fast to react yet, so momentum is lost. X mode is still a great system and they are going down the right track with it, hopefully they will continue improving with each generation.

I've driven a variety of different 4wds offroad now (no Jeeps yet as they aren't that common in Aus) and they each have their own distinct weak point which needs driving around, but once you get the feel they are all impressive vehicles. Coming back to my manual Forester the weak point is the gearing, an auto would fix that but the main reason I like the Forester is that it is such a fun car to drive. The other huge advantage is things are so cheap.
 
but the only way to always have the best when off-pavement is to have both a Subaru and a Wrangler and to pick the right one for the right trip.

Better take the Subie - at least it will get you home! :iconwink:
 
i was allways amazed what newer land cruiser traction control can do
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lockers would do same too but with this you no need lockers.

i did new testing on VDC today. in worse situation when 2 wheels are in air and just 2 on ground. with VDC off was crazy. then even VDC on works differently on gear D as normal using and on 1 or 2 gears. maybe those fixed gears 1,2 locks something else there. Because i event found situation when i couldn't move with VDC and D , and then moved forward on gear 1,2.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MJG8yIhDBU"]this my video [/ame]

That was best example how subaru traction control worked
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think so too. and 2nd gear must lock that too and it starts going from 2nd gear. so its even less wheel spin. its very good on snow start going from 2nd gear on hard situations where you no wanna wheel spin.

i remembered was watching some video about using diff lockers on heavy heavy 4wd cars like mighty land cruiser 70 series. and yes they have factory lockers.
this what happens without locked diffs
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with just rear locker. sure they using low gears as well
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i think traction control would be in middle of that . well depends what type traction control sure. but like land cruisers, land rovers, subarus maybe weaker but you could go there as well i guess. and we have people in australia doing some tracks there with subarus.

forester with welded rear diff so its locked and transfer clutch locked
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its nice from stock maybe but iv seen subarus with VDC doing similar stuff
 
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