N/A Supercharger Project x2

Will do it at the same time Taza.
I have a low km Liberty rear LSD.
Also hope to fit a 12kg centre viscous coupling, and modified box with front geared LSD, lower low ratios, dual synchro on low 1st and a higher 5th gear, for my highway driving.
Even if getting the work done commercially costs me $10K for both a refurbished engine and box, that is still only a total of about $26K that the car has cost me all up, so still way better than $63K for a new Outback. ;)
 
If I put a part time 4wd L-Series box in my Forester casing does that mean it would be FWD, then have 4WD Hi and Lo? I would like to keep my AWD for on road.

Yes it would be PT4wd with a true 50/50 lock between front and rear.

Open diffs are the biggest issue with Subies once clearance, gearing and power are sorted.

That's pretty much stating the obvious there!

if the L-Series locking centre could be put in then that would solve that issue.

It can be, but it requires you to use the rear housing that comes with the locking centre diff as well as the pinion shaft. This means a gearbox tear down and rebuild with the required bits, also a custom prop shaft and gear linkages will be required. And you'll be stuck with 3.7 or 3.9 diff ratio unless you can find some one to do a cut and shut on the pinion shaft - and they'd better be good at it otherwise you'll have some "issues" on hand if it snaps.

How have you done your centre Venom? I read its an L-Series 4WD box in EJ casing?? How does that work?

Same way as my gearbox works with my EJ conversion - the front housings are the same with the exception of the bell housing - all the internals slot into the same spot. The rear casings also bolt on without issue.

So Venom's got the rare as hen's teeth L series AWD with 3.7 diff ratios, L series low range in EJ front casings with the custom prop shaft and gear linkages behind his H6. And it goes off it's tits! This is also the reason why he opted for a stock EJ22 clutch setup - the weakest link in the system hopefully.

At this point the engine just runs out of puff on either sand, rocks or onroad. Then when you try and go for 1st gear you can't and end up getting stuck as the syncro's completely gone on first.

I dunno about the synchros gone on first - you do know there's a built in mechanism that doesn't allow you to select first gear until you're at crawling pace? The trick to get around it is to double the clutch and rev the engine when in neutral with the clutch ENGAGED (clutch pedal out) then select 1st. Works a treat for me!

Im guessing FWD then onroad...

I can tell you now that Venom would not be anywhere near that thing if it was FT front wheel drive! That H6 could spin all four wheels easily on dirt without full throttle before the diffs were changed to 3.7s! It's insane.

All it needs done are the stem seals.

Easier said than done! It would be a good time to replace the water pump and timing belt too if he's taking the heads off to do the job.

As Dave said when loaded to it struggles. Fill the boot, roof and put 5 people in the car plus with the bigger tyres and try going offroad or on a long trip.

But this is natural! The more weight you have the more you have to compensate with your driving technique. You should also be adjusting your driving style accordingly - a heavy vehicle should not be driven hard like a sports car, rather it should be taken easily using part throttle and a good part of the rev range - let the engine do the work but don't push it hard either. "Slow and steady always wins the race" ;)

The engine just needs the seals done to stop the buning oil and while a part clear out some of the carbon build up on the heads and that.

So it's heads off then? I think you'll be very surprised at how little carbon will be on the combustion chamber or the piston top.

Cheers

Bennie
 
Personally, I wouldnt worry bout an intercooler. Turbos get hotter from the exhaust & you're only doing 4PSI, so I dont think there will be much of an increase in air intake temp...but I could be wrong :raspberry:

I'm also a bit worried bout the idea of using a HG bolt as a mounting point, but it seems options are limited.

I think front & rear LSDs plus locking or 12kg centre would complement the SC perfectly :monkeydance:
 
Personally, I wouldnt worry bout an intercooler. Turbos get hotter from the exhaust & you're only doing 4PSI, so I dont think there will be much of an increase in air intake temp...but I could be wrong :raspberry:

Agreed.
But after the engine has the bit of work done too I might upgrade the pulley so shes running 7-8psi boost, add an intercooler too. Im going to get a GT bonnet aswell.

I'm also a bit worried bout the idea of using a HG bolt as a mounting point, but it seems options are limited.

I will get some pics tomorrow of where it mounts. Its the spot where the engine is pulled, not sure if its the head or not......

I think front & rear LSDs plus locking or 12kg centre would complement the SC perfectly :monkeydance:
Agreed
 
Some new and exciting developments today:

Settled on final design,
cut steel to size,
consulted belt driven pump specialist who gave us some great new ideas,
started from scratch again designing new mount from a/c mounting point (closer to pulleys),
now making a new a/c pulley to drive a third belt moving s/c 15mm forward giving more room,
drank beer.
 
drank beer.

This is the most important step if it's not rum! Usually start before work and ideas begin flowing... ;)

Cheers

Bennie
 
Personally, I wouldnt worry bout an intercooler. Turbos get hotter from the exhaust & you're only doing 4PSI, so I dont think there will be much of an increase in air intake temp...but I could be wrong :raspberry:

The SC14 is a roots style blower and while they don't suffer lag, they have about the worst thermal efficiency of all belt driven FI, hence the benefit of an intercooler. It takes more power to spin them too but they do make great low end boost....if my very limited knowledge recalls correctly.
 
The SC14 is a roots style blower and while they don't suffer lag, they have about the worst thermal efficiency of all belt driven FI, hence the benefit of an intercooler. It takes more power to spin them too but they do make great low end boost....if my very limited knowledge recalls correctly.
If the air is too hot or too much pressure then the MAP/MAF sensor should in theory through a check engine light. But being that my engine is OBD I it isn't too responsive. I have found that I have to physically removed a sensor for the CEL to come on. I can run her on 3 cylinders and it doesn't even come on, take half the exhaust off and it still doesn't come on.... :shrug:

There is a list of things that will be done and I might eventually upgrade the pulley to a smaller one thus giving me more boost. If I go this route I will definitely install an intercooler but first a GT bonnet and front bar have to come. Probably the valve stem seals and new gearbox too :rolleyessarcastic:
 
I have found that I have to physically removed a sensor for the CEL to come on. I can run her on 3 cylinders and it doesn't even come on, take half the exhaust off and it still doesn't come on.... :shrug:

Yep, this sounds about right - there's no sensors on the spark plugs so running it on 3 cylinders won't throw a code, it'll just run like ****. There's no sensors in the back part of the exhaust, so again no code will be thrown. The O2 sensor isn't an easy one to get a code thrown for either, you can have a dead one in your exhaust and there will still be no code.

As for removing a sensor, well this would put the sensor outside it's expected operational range and thus a code is thrown...

The ECU will be able to compensate for a certain amount of changes, but if intake temps get too high it's not what the computer does that's the problem, the pre-detonation that does the damage. The ECU will try to retard the spark as far as it can to reduce the pre-det but there's only so much it can do before it can't run the engine, so it sticks within the pre-determined limits.

Also you'd want to be scanning you're O2 outputs to make sure that the engine isn't leaning out on fuel, that'll also result in a dead engine before too long. Hatchie had a gauge that Dave fitted to do just this, he found it worked within the limits of what he wanted, he just had to keep the intake temps down back then as pre-detonation was the key issue once he'd sorted out the setup.

Cheers

Bennie
 
Also you'd want to be scanning you're O2 outputs to make sure that the engine isn't leaning out on fuel, that'll also result in a dead engine before too long. Hatchie had a gauge that Dave fitted to do just this, he found it worked within the limits of what he wanted, he just had to keep the intake temps down back then as pre-detonation was the key issue once he'd sorted out the setup.

Yeah I know this. I have spoken to him quite abit about the project.

The intercooler will come its just when....
The FPR will stop it from leaning out fuel wise, its just the temps to keep an eye on.
 
THE END!

Given up, with the replacement engine I installed in my Forester I have found power isn't a real issue. Sure a supercharger would be fun but I can live without, plus Im probably saving myself from a few speeding tickets :lol:

The number one biggest issue was the ABS pump being in the way. This wouldn't be an issue if you were putting the charger on an EJ converted L-Series or Brumby, even base model SF Forester. But that has been a huge issue.

My new project of a custom made rear bar could be on the cards with possible rear winch :biggrin:
 
THE END!

Given up, with the replacement engine I installed in my Forester I have found power isn't a real issue. Sure a supercharger would be fun but I can live without, plus Im probably saving myself from a few speeding tickets :lol:

The number one biggest issue was the ABS pump being in the way. This wouldn't be an issue if you were putting the charger on an EJ converted L-Series or Brumby, even base model SF Forester. But that has been a huge issue.

My new project of a custom made rear bar could be on the cards with possible rear winch :biggrin:

probably a good idea taza

dont know about a winch a subi, wouldnt think they would have the chassis strength?:confused:
 
I hope one day you'll refire your SC project...its a good one, something I would do on mine after someone else has sorted out all the bugs lol :iconwink:
 
I hope one day you'll refire your SC project...its a good one, something I would do on mine after someone else has sorted out all the bugs lol :iconwink:


I doubt it, sure it would be nice but I'd rather just keep it standard, less to go wrong. Especially when out bush :iconwink:

I'm thinking later on just a complete engine swap, either H6, EJ25 or a turbo motor...
 
Given up, with the replacement engine I installed in my Forester I have found power isn't a real issue. Sure a supercharger would be fun but I can live without, plus Im probably saving myself from a few speeding tickets :lol:

My new project of a custom made rear bar could be on the cards with possible rear winch :biggrin:
It's a pity in one way about your supercharger mate, but I think you have made a good & very wise decision :cool:

I am looking forward to seeing how your next project, (rear bar/with possible winch) pans out :)

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
I am looking forward to seeing how your next project, (rear bar/with possible winch) pans out :)


I'll just see what happens here, I've been looking at heaps people have done with L-Series's. The hard part is how the rear bumper on the forester curves around the sides of the car where the air vents are...
 
Kek kek kek, I would have laid money this would have been the outcome right from day one, it's the sort of thing a very mechanically minded person with a decent workshop might attempt but a first year uni computer geek living in a unit just aint got the facilities - but great idea and good on you for being enthusiastic enough to give it a try in the beginning..........

Locking diff????
 
THE END!

Given up, with the replacement engine I installed in my Forester I have found power isn't a real issue.

I thought we tried telling you this before you went with a supercharger?!

The number one biggest issue was the ABS pump being in the way.

Yet this wasn't a problem earlier?? What?! Sorry, but this is purely excuse material!

I would have laid money this would have been the outcome right from day one, it's the sort of thing a very mechanically minded person with a decent workshop might attempt but a first year uni computer geek living in a unit just aint got the facilities - but great idea and good on you for being enthusiastic enough to give it a try in the beginning.

I like the way you put this ^ GOLD!

Seriously though, I think you need to follow this through... if not for you, then for us :twisted:

Cheers

Bennie
 
It is very doable we just dont have the facilities to do it. We can't exactly weld on the road at Tazas house or my university carpark.

And we were so close to having a mount. But the ABS pump is just 15-20mm too high. So close! :sad:
 
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