Frosty Boy - Kiwi's SG Forester

Well, I thought I'd better joint this site, owning a Subaru and having offroad aspirations and all...

A few weeks ago I took a bit of a roadtrip up to Alexandra in Central Otago with my Dad, and bought a 2002 SG Forester X 5sp D/R, in what is very close British Racing Green. 205,300km (after driving it for a couple of weeks). It's not perfect, having many superficial parking dents, and it does need a good polish, but it has no rust due to the dry Central climate, and it burns no oil. Most of its kms are open-road, as the previous owner spent a lot of time commuting between Dunedin and Alex for work meetings, and so it drives pretty much like new. It has factory cruise control, and optional foglights too.

Picked it up for ~1/3 of what dealers are charging for JDM 2.0 autos with ~100,000kms so a pretty good deal. Best price:condition ratio SG I could find - I bought it for the 2.5, not the crap DR gearing (more easily rectified & no cert needed). Having said that, I've tested out the D/R on our driveway (really steep) and it's not too bad, but low 1st is equivalent to about low 3rd in Dad's Pathfinder and the lack of engine braking compared to what I'm used to scared me a little.

Great power and torque from the 2.5, and fuel economy isn't too bad. Does the EJ251 need 95 octane? The PO always used this, but according to the owners manual 90 octane is minimum - 91 is lowest in NZ. Anyway, between Alexandra and Roxburgh, on the way home to Dunedin, there is a very steep hill with a passing lane and a 55kph entry corner. I was following Dad (Toyota 86 auto) in the Foz, and we both pulled out at the bottom of the hill to pass a tourist in a JDM Sunny. I was in second, expecting to get thrashed going up the hill. By the top, and shifting at 5750rpm or so to 3rd, I had dropped about 10m on the 86. Impressed to say the least! Best part of the trip was driving his 86 to Alex.:lildevil:

Had a new clutch at 60,000km, so it is going to need a new one soon. Also has a slight oil leak at the rear of the engine (but doesn't burn any) and I will be doing gearbox/diff oils when I install the extended rear breather (already got the 8mm vinyl tubing). Cambelt was done at 113,000kms so I'll do it before 220,000 and get the clutch/seals at the same time. Should I do head gaskets too? They aren't weeping and I checked the radiator cap for white goo - also checked it again yesterday after 1000km and it's still fine.:ebiggrin:

Plans for mods are:
Bashplate (Done with one off my old Leone)
Daytime Running lights (done)
New 215/65r16 Kumho KH18 tyres (not A/T but done, I'm used to using chains offroad anyway)
RallyArmor mudflaps - didn't have OEM ones (done)
Removed those annoying little flaps before front wheels (visual mod)
Fitted roof rack - early 90s Prorack from a Maxima
STi sway bars with quick-releases front/rear - do I need bugeye-on sways or will GC ones fit?
Fan switch - diagram please?
Rear diff breather
1.45:1 DR (or maybe AD Subaroo 1.6:1?...)
LSD front/rear/DCCD centre?
Raised Kings!!!!
Slightly modified intake - front silencer removed and first 'box' re-reouted into fender for CAI/less water risk.
Repaint wheels, probably gunmetal metallic

Reason why I went to a Forester was for ease of modding - I can't be bothered certing it and up to 50mm spring lift is legal in NZ. I'll probably body lift/cert eventually - that, plus an R180 ARB air locker, is in my VERY long-term plans for the car.

I know you're all bored with the tl/dr wall-o-text, so here's some pics with more once I've done more mods/polished it:
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Bringing offroad Subarus to NZ! (hopefully).:lol:
 
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Well, I now have a dedicated set of 215/65r16 Bridgestone Dueler 697 A/T light truck tyres! They're pretty hardcore compared to my road tyres. I've driven these tyres about 30km offroad on my dad's pathfinder and was most impressed compared to the old roadies, so when a set of 4 BRAND NEW came up in Mosgiel (about 15km out of town) I jumped. Was remarkably good luck considering I had a set of +48 offset 16" steels lying around...

Anyway, the bloke from the tyre shop was selling them on behalf of a mate who'd gone to 15" muddies on his Suzuki. I'd seen them for $298NZ each, which is a bit rich for my blood (Scots ancestry :P).

I waited, and they came down to $150NZ each. I managed to bludge the guy into giving me free fitting and balancing too, and had a bit of a chat to him about his Subaru blue Anglia (beautifully restored and tuned, lowered etc) while he fitted the last tyre up (I got there a bit early). So I got a set of Duelers for $600NZ! That'll keep me in tyres for a while, with my near new Kumho KH18 roadies as well.

I can now also put chains on all 4 wheels for really boggy terrain. Although they barely squeak past the front strut base with a bit of light touching, but that's not an issue as I only have one pair of chains that fit anyway! I only fitted the wheels to the right side for pics.

I tell you what, I can see why you guys say TYRES as the first mod... So stoked to get it offroad!!! Finally.

Pics:
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Clearance at front of rear guards is good.

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Stacks of room at the rear strut perch, was a little worried chains wouldn't fit but they clear easily.

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This is where I had clearance issues with the WRX wheels and road tyres for chain fitment. They were too close to the shaft of the strut. There's plenty enough clearance here now and even more at the front. Pic has been rotated 90 by my host?

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I thought the chains might rub on this plastic ridge behind the front wheels but clearance is fine.

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This is the only point the chains rubbed, just on the bottom of the spring perch - but it's not major, just barely touching really. Not too worried as I only really have chains for one of those days at the skifield where they make you put them on, so I'll just throw them on the back end (which is where you want them, to stop the arse sliding out going downhill!).

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Another rotated one...

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Split personality :P You can see the bashplate is higher on one side than the other - did that last Thursday when going for a day tramp in the Silverpeaks, let's just say there was VERY deep pothole that I hit... I'm glad I had the plate, and that I didn't crack an alloy! Alignment seems fine too, weirdly.

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Whoever said you could fit a 215/65r16 in the wheel well lied. You can't. Not with the lid on, anyway.

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Standard 215/60r16 Yokohama Geolander G900 (12yrs young) on left, the spare.
Oversize 215/65r16 Kumho KH18 on +53 7" wide WRX alloy in middle, my roadies.
Oversize 215/65r16 Bridgestone Dueler 697 on +48 6.5" wide Foz steelie on right.

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Pic of the tread.

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Last one for now, another pic of the WRX wheels. I love how they look. Pity about the strut clearance. When the Kumhos wear out I'll probably have graduated and own an STi for my DD, so my Foz will get body lifted, certed etc with Audi rims and muddies (and hopefully an r180 rear air locker...)
 
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They look good, KF.

I will be very, VERY, interested in your thoughts on these under all road and driving conditions, as I am seriously considering replacing my Michelin XM2s with these at some stage. Possibly sooner rather than later ...

215/65 16" would also make my speedo spot on ... :iconwink: :biggrin: ... and my insurer has already told me that they are happy about this tyre size (will put it on my policy document).
 
Mmm... Insurance. Haha. Should probably list these actually. Well, I'll have them on for two weeks straight over Christmas/New Year's at Arrowtown (10mins from Queenstown) where I'll be doing a mix of highway, town, 4wd etc. I'll let you know how they go, but from the 500km I put on Dad's set (with ~80km in proper 4wd country), this is what I felt compared to the previous GT Radial H/T he ws running.

- Just about as good in the dry
- Worse in the wet - understeered more
- Noisy around town but not too bad on the open road (although we have chipseal everywhere so noise is bad whatever you have on)
- Rotational inertia is higher than road tyres so performance takes a dive (not that you really notice it with a 4.0 V6) but it wasn't as good up hills as usual.

They are in another zone entirely offroad.
- Gravel they are unflappable, near perfect.
- Rocky rivers, not bad, some slipping climbing out.
- Loose shale, some wheelspin.
- Mud, absolutely great, the beefy lugs and open pattern clear it really well. I was really impressed with how good these were as a compromise between road/mt.
- Sidewalls are tough as.

I would recommend two sets of wheels like I have - but swapping them is physical enough for me and I'm only 19. Did two wheels in ten minutes today though.

And yeah, the speedo is absolutely correct! I've GPS checked it.

These tyres have 10mm of tread, so I've got 8.5 to go before they're illegal. My set of Kumhos have worn 1mm in ~4500km. Might have something to do with my driving style though. I actually managed to spin one of the front wheels taking off uphill the other day...

I got bored with a tape measure and compared the Pathie and the Foz:
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I reckon the Foz wins.
 
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Yep, 65 section just about make your speedo spot on.
I was not impressed with Kuhmos. It is the only time in my life that my car aquaplaned on a wet dowhill, winding section of bitumen.
May have been me, may have been the road but it was scary.
 
Looks good Kiwifoz.

The new 697's are a massive improvement on there old range as well as their mud terrains. Great purchase price as well!!
 
I've no complaints with the Kumho KH18s, they're great road tyres, stick very nicely in the dry and they're better in the wet than many other road tyres I've driven. Crap on gravel though. Considering they cost $133 each fitted and balanced too... I seem to have a nose for good tyre deals.:lol:

Yes, I agree these new style of tyres are a big departure from traditional AT design.
 
Mmm... Insurance. Haha. Should probably list these actually.

I'd second that ... The sooner, the better :iconwink:.

Well, I'll have them on for two weeks straight over Christmas/New Year's at Arrowtown (10mins from Queenstown) where I'll be doing a mix of highway, town, 4wd etc. I'll let you know how they go, but from the 500km I put on Dad's set (with ~80km in proper 4wd country), this is what I felt compared to the previous GT Radial H/T he ws running.

- Just about as good in the dry
- Worse in the wet - understeered more
- Noisy around town but not too bad on the open road (although we have chipseal everywhere so noise is bad whatever you have on)
- Rotational inertia is higher than road tyres so performance takes a dive (not that you really notice it with a 4.0 V6) but it wasn't as good up hills as usual.

They are in another zone entirely offroad.
- Gravel they are unflappable, near perfect.
- Rocky rivers, not bad, some slipping climbing out.
- Loose shale, some wheelspin.
- Mud, absolutely great, the beefy lugs and open pattern clear it really well. I was really impressed with how good these were as a compromise between road/mt.
- Sidewalls are tough as.

Really more interested to see how you feel about them on your Forester, as we all know that AWD vehicles (Subies, anyway ... :biggrin:) are a whole different kettle of fish.

I would recommend two sets of wheels like I have - but swapping them is physical enough for me and I'm only 19. Did two wheels in ten minutes today though.

What a slacker :poke: :ebiggrin:! When I was 19, I could have done all four in that time. Nowadays, it would take me all morning to think about it - and all afternoon to do ... :(.

No way known am I ever going to run two sets of rims!

And yeah, the speedo is absolutely correct! I've GPS checked it.

Good to know that the facts accord with the theory.
Not always the case ...
 
Changing one tyre is hard work these days.
Problem with your speedo being, more or less, accurate is that there is no longer a fudge margin.
Have to be careful ALL the time.
 
Yeah very true. Dad's Pathie reads 7kph over - indicated 107 is actually 100kph. I find myself applying that to the Foz and as a result, speeding badly... Not a good idea on holiday weekends when the cops are doing the bloody 4kph tolerance!

It does mean that you know exactly what speed you're going at when you glance at the speedo though...
 
this is what I felt compared to the previous GT Radial H/T he ws running.

- Just about as good in the dry
- Worse in the wet - understeered more

Thats why I like Geolander ATs. Better than the Bridgestone HT in the wet or dry. No way should an AT have more grip than a HT

Great deal you got though! :monkeydance:

Somewhere there is a thread about how to fit the larger tyre. Basically you pound the metal of the wheel well to make it larger. Its been done by a few people on here ;)
 
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Thats why I like Geolander ATs. Better than the Bridgestone HT in the wet or dry. No way should an AT have more grip than a HT

Great deal you got though! :monkeydance:

Somewhere there is a thread about how to fit the larger tyre. Basically you pound the metal of the wheel well to make it larger. Its been done by a few people on here ;)

Yeah I read it on Pezimm's thread. Wasn't about to go pounding on my car with the folks at home though.

I might go back and get one of the worn 215/65 Duelers the tyre shop had as a spare, as my current 215/60 spare is undersize and I don't want to drive on it.
 
Yeah I read it on Pezimm's thread. Wasn't about to go pounding on my car with the folks at home though.

Smart move!

But I can assure you it will fit fully inflated - I had it in at 40 psi cold!

The only hard bit is where the monocoque rails pinch weld on to the wheel well on the underside of the car. That's a very stiff part of the metal sheet and hard to deform (for a reason I'm sure). The bit I'm trying to describe sits at about 1 o'clock position as you look at the well from the back.

Good luck with the plastic surgery and let us know if you need anything...

Pedro.
 
Thanks for the heads up pezimm, that 1 o'clock spot did seem to be the tightest fit. I'll get the tyre sometime next week probably.
 
Well, my Kings arrived today. Raised all around. I'm off to Australia tomorrow, so I'll have to install them when I get back, no time tonight!
With new springs all around and new rear struts, I'm looking forward to the much improved handling. It'll be nice to load up without the arse hitting the ground, too.

I'm going to get the aircon recharged too, it's pretty pathetic at the moment.

All I need now is to do the HGs, timing belt etc and the clutch and I'll have a pretty much new car.:lildevil:
 
Fitted my King Springs today. Quite happy with them, they're about the right stiffness I reckon. Firmer than standard but not excessive. And the 5cm of lift over my old saggy suspension was well worth the effort!

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Started on moving my ECU, tried to fit it in the dash behind/around the glovebox but there just isn't quite enough space. I'll bite the bullet and just mount it in the glovebox for now I think. Anywhere but the floor. I can't believe Subaru put it there... At least they left a nice long wiring harness to move it with.
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Might also try and fab up a fan cutout switch too.

Also re-fitted the standard airbox for less risk of water induction. Seems to have given me more low-end torque and a less jerky engine as well? Strange. I do miss the tone of the CAI.
 
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Sitting pretty!!

If your airbox is the engine bay internal version rather than the external fender version then while it will give you some protection don't count on it too much; this is how I got caught out. I had one on when I hydralocked my motor. Unlike the fender version where air (and water) is forced down into it, the air passes straight across the top of the snorkus box in our model so at high throttle it gives no protection at all.
 
Moved my ECU today. Full write-up is in electrical section.
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Really happy with the result, is solidly mounted and it doesn't take up any more space than the owner's manual shelf did. Looks a bit odd though, might have to make a shield for it.

Kevin, is this the airbox you hydrolocked yours with? It looks pretty safe to me as the intake is over toward the fender hole and is only open at the bottom.
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Nice job on the ECU, looks like a good safe spot. The Cruise control unit is just under the dash next to the kick panel. A few of us have wrapped it in plastic & tape plus moved it a bit higher. Glad I did when my poor Foz went for a swim lol.

Maybe time for a snorkel? Little more low down torque, great sound plus river crossings! :lildevil::monkeydance:
 
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