Optimum mild lift for a IV gen OB

Very true & very well said, both Ratbag & NachaLuva :cool:

Also be prepared to admit defeat :sadbanana: even if it is/can be embarrassing at the time :redface:

Just remember, there's always next time :iconwink:

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Re: transmission cooler

Good point. It seems that Subaru does not offer transmission coolers on the 3.6R OB while it does on the 3.6R Tribeca. It also seems that the AT paired with the 3.6R is the same that Nissan uses on the Armada and the Titan (!). Now, Subaru's cooling is probably very different. But even if we discount the Armada/Titan connection and stick to the 700 pounds heavier Tribeca, it still seems to me that a lightly loaded OB should not need a cooler for a few tough climbs per year, especially when these are not done in the brutal SW summer heat. I will check again but I am pretty sure I have an AT oil warning light; the 1995 Legacy surely did.

Re: Bunyip trip

Ha, I knew about it! I had been visiting the site from time to time before I finally joined:) Interestingly enough the only time we made a somewhat questionable, to put it mildly decision, was the only time we traveled in a group...the overabundance of caution that usually characterizes both my wife and myself, and especially the former :), went down the drain...perhaps there are advantages to travel on one's own :) Interestingly enough, it was a three-vehicle convoy, too, and it also was mud. Thanks for the reminder, though, that was an interesting story to read!
 
G'day again MAS

If there is an AT cooler for the 3.6 Tribeca, it should not be at all difficult to adapt this to your OB.

I prefer to travel alone. That way I get to make my own mistakes ... :iconwink: :lol: :biggrin: :poke:.

Having said that, the Bunyip possible disaster was no one's fault. We were all caught out by circumstances. But there are lessons to be taken away from the experience, IMO.

One of which is not to let travelling in a group override one's own natural caution. In spite of my pseudonym here, I didn't get to be the age I am by taking unnecessary risks ... Specially since it is in my nature to do so - which I fortunately learned at a very early age, before I had managed to kill myself, as happened to so many of my young friends. They helped me learn this, by example ... :( :sad: :cry:
 
Ratbag said:
However, your comment "After we got out" says heaps :iconwink:.
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Lol :rotfl:

Because of my health issues (perhaps), I am even more aware of the potential outcomes of such adventures. I have to take the medications I am on between 1900H and 2100H every night. Not to do so could have fatal consequences for me. I did not have a dose of my medications with me that day. That situation will never occur again, and it was/is a valuable lesson for me that I should always carry at least one night's meds with me.
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Very good point RB, comes under the "always be prepared" umbrella

mr turbo said:
Also be prepared to admit defeat :sadbanana: even if it is/can be embarrassing at the time :redface:

Just remember, there's always next time :iconwink:
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Turning around is usually much less embarrassing than being towed out :poke::redface:
 
RE: turning around

Yup, done that, many times....
 
Gidday Mr T

mr turbo said:
Very true & very well said, both Ratbag & NachaLuva :cool:
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Thanks.

Also be prepared to admit defeat :sadbanana: even if it is/can be embarrassing at the time :redface:
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The only good thing to be said about being dead is that one is not around to be embarrassed by one's own bloody stupidity ...

Just remember, there's always next time :iconwink:

Regards
Mr Turbo
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That's a really good thing about not being dead ... :iconwink: :lol: :cool:

Have a safe and happy Christmas and New Year, everybody (or Happy Hanukkah, or whatever ... :) ).
 
MAS,
So these guys are all giving you very good and technical information on technical wheeling in any rig and particularly a Subaru. As I understand it, you're not that interested in technical wheeling in your OB, but rather getting off the beaten track and certainly not close to or beyond the point of no return.

One thing I've learned, particularly with grades....if you go down, remember you may need to come back up. Personally this used to be a greater concern before my low range modification, but still true now. I've learned quite a bit about my low's capabilities since installing it and going out on a big-boy run (lockhart basin) in a Subaru.
I am looking at the calendar and weather to see when I might be able to pull off a WR in a day run and get you some first hand info. I almost almost considered it today, but a friend reported back the shafer trail is still snow and ice packed, so i bailed on the thought.

Ultimately I feel pretty well your OB could pull off the WR. Its really not that technical overall, just a couple of spots, and even there its just grade which your H-6 5EAT won't have a problem with. Approach and departure angles probably won't be a serious variable, but may factor in line choice here and there.

Again, do you have a permit for the trip (i.e. how many days do you plan to take?) or are you going for the LOOOOOONG day trip? I still advise having company and not a solo run (never mind that i was considering a solo run today, but I know the area, friends would have been in the loop, I would have check-in points, etc. etc. ;)

And please do, keep in touch with me as the trip comes near.

Side note:
check this info out for the shafer-potash run, as I said similar to the long canyon run.
https://www.utahgeology.org/road_logs/uga-29_first_edition/NP_guide/shafertr.pdf
https://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=280

Ciao,
-mark-
 
Superu, I totally missed your post as I was out of town. Thanks so much for thinking about my trip! I PM-ed you before seeing this post. I did not mention permits there--I will get a permit, but for the summer.
 
If this works it'll link you to .kmz tracks (opens in Google Earth) for the Long Canyon road and Gemini Bridges roads. If/when I get out and run the White Rim in a day, I'll upload that as well... You should be able to see elevation profiles and grades as well as speed when the track was logged, etc. It makes a fun tour where you can "run" the track with the Google satellite imagery.

If this doesn't work you'll have to join Moabbuzz.com for the privilege. ;)
 
So here are a couple shots of the most challenging part I can think of for the White Rim.
(I'm not 100% but I think this would be a decent for you MAS, coming in from Mineral. I think this is murphy's wash just before the hogback climb when approached from the Shafer-in approach)

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This would be your climb when approaching via Mineral Bottom...turns out bad things can and do happen here
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This is the "technical" step(s) which would be a climb when approaching from Mineral Bottom
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The above makes it look pretty technical, but I think its somehow a compression in photography, below it doesn't seem AS steep and ledgy. . .
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but there are plenty of cheater stones there, as you can see..


This is NOT to discourage you!! It'll be a great run when we do it! ;)
I'll still try to get out there soonish for a day trip and get you more data. . . :)
 
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I will PM you soon with some info about possible date ranges--it is another crazy week. In the meantime--A THOUSAND THANKS for those extremely useful pics!

Discouraged? No, rather encouraged! I had seen that Jeep on youtube, I think, there is a whole video. While each and every one of us can end up at the bottom of a hill a bit too quickly, I have been surprised by just how fast some Jeeps and trucks go where I, with a much more stable vehicle, would not--and I am not talking rocks, obviously.

The worst picture of the spot with the Rubicon still makes that spot look better than the last wash I got out of. It seems that stacking a few small stones is allowed, which would solve the problem if the bottom step has eroded enough to cause front bumper concerns.
 
Geez that does look challenging indeed :)

But in saying that, I'd still like to have a go at it in my XT :twisted:

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
I was looking for fun a year ago and I noticed that US-Australia fares from the southwest were cheaper than fares to Europe (ok, it would be winter in Australia vs. summer in Europe, but still). I think that since Delta entered the market, prices became more reasonable. I am not sure if the XT would fit in the extended overhead bins of Delta aircraft though;)
 
A fantastic find indeed! The one below is the same Subaru over hardscrabble and it is even better (complete):

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CVXcCD74AM"]Hardscrabble Hill in a Subaru - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Both great vids. Stunning scenery! :lildevil:
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Yeah!
I'll be that guy and say it..."Yeah, that's about an hour from my front door, ergo my proverbial 'back yard'. I might have a go on the WR this weekend or maybe next...because I can." :rotfl:

Sorry, I know that probably burns....but FWIW it's these things that help remind me where I live. People travel the globe to come here...and I live here.

Its often a bit of a shocker to re-come to that realization. :lildevil:
 
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