Subaru's Latest Joke

Doesn't take long for the accountants to be blamed.

At the end of the day, Subaru is now experiencing huge success in America, whereas they're just chugging along selling enough Liberties and Foresters to Thrifty, and a few elsewhere. They make more money out of other markets where the new Subarus are successful.

I'll be moving on elsewhere after the Forester. I was expecting to keep within the Subaru fold, but not now.

taza said:
I like the look. I reckon it looks much better than the current gen which has been around for the past 5 years. I certainly would buy one. I like the idea of the same 8 speed cvt that is in the new Forester XT.
The worst part is having a pissy little 1.6l in it!

I thought the same as all of you about the XV and new outback. But once you have a good look in person and driven them then you really do notice that Subaru still have that special touch compares to other compares out there. ....
My 2 cents worth anyway. ..
Can't beat the original gc8, SF and gen1/2 libs though! Classic ugly, well v built designs that started all the great cars we have now.

Edit: if any of you have seen what else is on the new car market today I'd still be going for a Subaru, take a look at some of the other rubbish from Holden, Hyundai and Nissan!
Go for a drive in a Xtrail or IX35 then take a new foz for the spin.
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Has anyone noticed that Taza doesn't like Holden?

I'll disagree with you r.e. the gearbox. If I was to go to an auto, it certainly wouldn't be a CVT, particularly when it is the 'hero' sports model.

Obviously you haven't driven much else out there. Like VW, Mazda, Skoda, even Audi and BMW (some reasonably priced new cars out there now).

Also, remember that everyone has an opinion (as you stated). Particularly when bagging out other brands that people choose for reasons relating to their circumstances.
 
Rally said:
I deal with engineers constantly. I have just been asked to explain to them why their design does not comply with Australian Standard. Their specification is vague, contradictory within itself, the standard and their own drawings. It calls for the use of a product that can only be installed if every structural column of the large building is servered at the base, the building lifted and then have a small section of copper link the two ends of the structural columns together, with the ability for them to be disconnected at will. The only task they have any real ability to perform is the cut and paste. Proof reading is a concept totally alien to them. Unfortunately, this covers the majority of them, and it is getting worse.
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I have found now I have essentially completed my engineering course (2 exams left), that to graduate as an engineer (at least at my university anyway) there is pretty much no requirement to be able to communicate at all. Your grades may suffer slightly if you cant speak any English but student still pass.
Also what I have found concerning is that there is very little practical experience learnt in terms of engineering design (5-10% of classes focused on engineering design). Most students will happily design a part that cant be bolted together or have 100% faith in the answer the equation spits out without actually thinking about it. A very simple problem in one of my classes was to calculate the diameter of a steel cable to lift a car. Students would get answers of meters or only a fraction of a micron in diameter and not bat an eyelid. The sad part is that they would 95% of full marks in an exam for working. Its like saying the bridge they designed almost didnt fall down and the people almost didnt die.
 
I think i opened a can of worms, what i ment was designer says :this look its pretty, and the engineers say :it's pretty but not structural/ not able to be mass produced. then usually the accounts get the result and say "make it cheaper!"

PigSti said:
Simply..

Engineers say no, designers say yes.

A daily conflict.
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^ exactly what i was thinking
 
Originally Posted by Dedman
Its like saying the bridge they designed almost didnt fall down and the people almost didnt die.


maybe they should "almost pass" ;-)

Congrats on getting thru the course!
 
Congrats, DM :biggrin: :cool:.

Having had some contact with people who have graduated over the last ten to fifteen years or so, I am surprised at how many cannot write decent English (and therefore cannot read it properly either ... ). It amazes me how they got past their first written assignment in first year, let alone graduated!

Not surprising that our Universities are sliding down the rankings ...

What do kids learn in school, if not reading, writing and arithmetic?
What are the teachers teaching them, if not these basic tools?
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Having owned reasonably rare European cars in the past and kept them for long enough to do the spare parts 'money' shuffle between the series of unscrupulous parts dealers, the 04 was chosen in part because there are just so many of the "flamin' " things here in Oz. And the way people drive Subarus these days expecting these things to take off and land unscathed every time is just shocking and rather welcoming for us too!

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:censored: -> :shake: -> :lildevil: -> :idea:

No matter what crazy new incarnations or revisions Subaru likes to throw at us, at least there will be a sh1t load of good spares floating around for us 'lifers' for many years to come.

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PigSti said:
No matter what crazy new incarnations or revisions Subaru likes to throw at us, at least there will be a sh1t load of good spares floating around for us 'lifers' for many years to come.

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Every time I see a Subaru, I think to myself : "Another organ giver" :iconwink:
 
A small part of me almost died for a second there when I saw that box on wheels and thought it was a Subaru.....
 
aware said:
Has anyone noticed that Taza doesn't like Holden?

I'll disagree with you r.e. the gearbox. If I was to go to an auto, it certainly wouldn't be a CVT, particularly when it is the 'hero' sports model.

Obviously you haven't driven much else out there. Like VW, Mazda, Skoda, even Audi and BMW (some reasonably priced new cars out there now).

Also, remember that everyone has an opinion (as you stated). Particularly when bagging out other brands that people choose for reasons relating to their circumstances.
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Actually Aware I deal with vehicles for a living. I'd drive in excess of ~70 different cars per week! Ranging from Jaguar, BMW, Porsche, Audi, Triumph, VW, Lexus to your standard Holdens, Fords, Toyota's, Mazda's, Mitsubishi's, Subaru's and so on...

Actually I don't mind Holden. Depending on the models. Astra's, Barina's and the likes are absolute buckets of s**t, they are by far some of the most unreliable cars out there... However the older VY Commodores with the Ecotech 3.8 and 4 speed auto's are very well built cars. The new VF's aren't too bad for the price either.

For example when comparing say a new Holden Colorado (which my father owns and I frequently drive) to a new Toyota Hilux(Work Vehicles which I'd drive for numerous hours 6 days a week!). The new Hilux only has a 3.0l turbo diesel with 5 speed auto. Yet the Colorado has a 6 speed auto with a 2.8l TD. Yet the Colorado can achieve 8l per 100km on the highway with over a tonne of tools attached and has 150nm of torque more than the Hilux.
While the Holden is a decent car(in new form >5 years) and costs 15k less than the Hilux the toyota will certainly out live the Colorado, be much more reliable in the long run and is by far more well built. Everything on the vehicle, even when coming down to the clips, screws, plastic/interior trim, seats, engine, body, etc....

All I am trying to say is that sure Subaru has certainly changed from their old methods but they still make well built vehicles. Looking across the large variety that Australia offers of vehicles all new ones in comparison to all Vehicles 10 years ago have changed dramatically. Styling, electronics, engines, etc...

Personally I don't like the SH Foz at all, I think Subaru went backwards there with that one, same with the current Impreza. However their new releases I feel the styling has improved dramatically.

I find the older style conventional auto's to be very sluggish and unresponsive like in a modern VE Commodore when in comparison to a Gen1 XV. The Commodore might have 95Kw more on paper but it really doesn't move along all that well for a 200Kw engine and 6 speed auto. Compare it with the 2.0l engine in the XV with only 110Kw and the XV is quicker off the mark, more responsive to the throttle(I'm not talking power but shifting of the gearbox). The Commodore shifts hard while the XV is practically unnoticable.

I thought it appropriate to elaborate further on this matter...

Given the money though I'd certainly buy other brands of vehicles... Just remember you pay for what you get.
 
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