Off topic gun talk

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It's just a different culture I think. While there are certainly those out there that have guns for going on pig shoots and the like, the overall number just is not very big. I'd no sooner think of having a gun than think of wanting to go walk naked down George St Sydney. It just does not occur to me. But the world is full of different cultures which what makes it an interesting place.
 
Rally said:
I'd no sooner think of having a gun than think of wanting to go walk naked down George St Sydney. It just does not occur to me. But the world is full of different cultures which what makes it an interesting place.
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+1 (To those overseas George St has a "colourful" twist to it)

gorillamath, arent you worried bringing a gun into a confrontation will escalate the violence? You pull a hand gun, he pulls a shotgun. You pull a shot gun, he pulls a machine gun. You kill him, his family murders your family...etc, etc.
Even from the other side of the planet, we see way too much of this on the news!

BTW, apparently approx 1/3 of all deaths from firearms in the US are accidental, in the family home! :eek::shake:

All I can say is I am VERY grateful for the gun laws here!
 
But that is the thing about differing cultures. I remember when the Americans got all upset about a skit on Hey Hey It's Saturday. To us, it was just a bit of fun and nothing else, but a lot of Americans were upset. My attitude was well this is Australia, this is who we are. I think it is the same with Americans. They see nothing wrong with what they do. It is their country, their culture, and while I disagree with it, far be it from me to force my views on them. Viva la difference. Anyway, we are straying way off topic here.
 
gorillamath said:
know you aussies cant get them very easily and still be legal but i would never leave a good gun out of my survival kit- everything to gee im very hungry and its day 3 to holy crap that person is going to make me defend myself kind of problems are made alot easier with a good firearm
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I'm with you Rally, remember that we had the same mind set - in the colonial days they'd say "if it moves shoot it, if it doesn't chop it down" and we had our Wild West too (and Center and East) as well - i guess we've moved on......

onebob
 
I just hope no one thinks I am looking down on anyone in any of this. Just because I disagree does not make me right. I still respect the right of people to do what they are doing in the US, but at the same time pleased it is different here. We all have to respect each others culture especially when it is in their own country
 
onebob said:
I'm with you Rally, remember that we had the same mind set - in the colonial days they'd say "if it moves shoot it, if it doesn't chop it down" and we had our Wild West too (and Center and East) as well - i guess we've moved on......
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Very true. Problem is we're still paying for it in land degredation.

Remember also we had an economy based on rum! Not many economies where the currency is drunk :rotfl:
 
Being in Canada, many people up north keep shotguns in their cars in case of hostile encounters with wild animals, mainly bears and wolves, although sometimes wildcats and foxes can be very agressive (but still much less dangerous). And, of course, there are hunters.

Although I don't personally hunt, I've been shooting since I was 12 with the Air Cadets. I was apart of my squadron's target shooting team for 5 years, as well as our biathlon team (cross-country skiing + target shooting).

Unfortunately, too many people can't see further than "firearm = weapon", and see people who like shooting sports as gun-toting ultraconservative baby-killing rednecks (not even joking... as soon as you're in a metropolitan area, guns are seen as super evil).
 
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I'v done a little target shooting before the guns ban here. I've got nothing against shooting as a sport. Or as defense against bears etc (here in Oz our biggest threat are feral pigs, drop bears & bunyips) :rotfl:
But I cant & wont accept anyone who carries a handgun as "self defense" against another person then claims to be a Christian! To me that is so offensive! :puke:

Perfect example...GW Bush...may he burn in Hell :eviltoyou:
 
It all depends on the area I guess. I wouldn't carry here in Quebec even if I could (currently, it's legal, but they still refuse to issue any), but for someone down in the US, close to the Mexico border, I can definitely understand. Cartels are very active there, and it's not uncommon that their firefights cross from Mexico to the US as they try to control their smuggling routes.

My answer would've probably been different 10 years ago (assuming I was older, as 10 years ago, I was... 10, LOL). There was an ongoing war in Quebec between two bike gangs (Hells Angels and Rock Machines), and bomb attacks, hostage taking and drive-by shootings happenned on a weekly basis (probably more, to be honest I was quite young back then).

I don't know, I'm one of those who prefer to have something and not use it, than need something and not have it.
 
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We were having drive by shootings almost on a daily basis (literally), as all the bikie gangs were having a war. The police seem to have sorted it out for the most part.
 
Rally said:
We were having drive by shootings almost on a daily basis (literally), as all the bikie gangs were having a war. The police seem to have sorted it out for the most part.
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Yes, scary stuff.
Hopefully they can keep a lid on it, but I'm not going to hold my breath though. At least not in the long term anyway.

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Nachaluva said:
Even from the other side of the planet, we see way too much of this on the news!

BTW, apparently approx 1/3 of all deaths from firearms in the US are accidental, in the family home! :eek::shake:
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"apparently approx" ??? please state your source.

MODERATORS - You might want to consider adding Gun Control to your banned topics. :furious:Hell, I agree with Rally, thought this site was about Subaru vehicles?
 
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^ it's not contentious (yet) so it stays; so shoot me! :rotfl:

"approx 1/3 of all deaths from firearms in the US are accidental"

Except in DC and Atlanta! In LA they're just trying to get people off the roads :iconwink:
 
*Cautiously approaches* :rotfl:

LoneStar said:
"apparently approx" ??? please state your source.
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That was just an approximate figure I had in my head, gained from news, current affairs, docos, etc. It seems my estimate is a little high, however the stats arent great...

From some (very quick lol) research:

"Firearms are the second-leading cause of non-natural deaths for kids, typically from a gun the kid finds somewhere around the house, according to a University of Utah report that mentioned additional horrific statistics. About two-thirds of accidental shooting deaths happen in the home, with the kid shooting himself to death in 45 percent of the cases and friends or family members pulling the trigger in the remainder." (https://listosaur.com)

"Overall firearm mortality rates are five to six times higher in HI (high income) and UMI (upper-middle income) countries in the Americas (12.72) than in Europe (2.17), or Oceania (2.57) and 95 times higher than in Asia (0.13). The rate of firearm deaths in the United States (14.24 per 100 000) exceeds that of its economic counterparts (1.76) eightfold and that of UMI countries (9.69) by a factor of 1.5." (https://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/2/214.full.pdf)

"Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it. Higher rates are found in developing countries and those with political instability" (Wikipedia).

Food for thought....

Hell, I agree with Rally, thought this site was about Subaru vehicles?
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This is in the "off topic" section. It was actually RB who mentioned that...
 
I wouldn't say the rest of the world is "politically" similar. We are no where near as regulated/ restricted as euro countries & those like them. We have the freedom & right to bear arms. If you're too stupid to lock 'em in a safe & teach your kids gun safety, then you might say you could get whats coming to you. We don't need our govt making any more decisions for us than they already do.

I'm sure if you look at other statistics, where they lack in gun fatalities, it's prob something else that takes it's place. As said before... Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Be it with a knife, car, bat, or any other inanimate object, it all comes back to the world being full of aholes nowadays.
People are effin crazy man! :lol: (and i'd rather be prepared to defend myself if need be against 'em than to be unable to!)

Taking guns away just leaves the innocent helpless. The bad guys will always have them.
 
dirtyRU said:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people
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A very nice saying, but unfortunately its not true. Its the BULLET that gets fired from the GUN that kills people. People need to pull the trigger, so they are the catalyst, but the gun is the cause. If the gun wasnt there, the bullet wouldnt have killed someone.

People are effin crazy man! :lol: (and i'd rather be prepared to defend myself if need be against 'em than to be unable to!)

Taking guns away just leaves the innocent helpless. The bad guys will always have them.
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True, people are crazy lol :rotfl:, but introducing a gun escalates the violence.

Sure some people will still be able to get guns no matter what, but the problem is where people who arent "bad" use a gun in a moment of poor decision making. Then you have 2 victims, 1 dead, the other paying for the rest of their life. Not to mention permanent injuries like brain damage, spinal damage, etc.

& what about all the accidental shootings? Its the parents fault that some 10yo kid finds his parents gun, but its the kid who pays for it :(

I know its pointless me trying to persuade you that guns are a bad thing...its endemic in American life. Almost half of all American households own a gun! :eek: I just remind myself that the world is changing & to be patient.
 
Kevin said:
^ it's not contentious (yet) so it stays; so shoot me! :rotfl:
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Ditto.

But the mods & admin are watching & keeping a close eye on it :iconwink:

And like dirtyRU said, the bad guys will always get & have guns.

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
But before the bullet leaves the gun, the trigger has to be pulled by a person.
Accidents are an unfortunate by product of life. Kids get run over all the time in driveways because of accidents, does that mean we should get rid of cars too?

It may escalate a situation too like you said, but more often than you think, it stops the escalation from going further & saves lives down the road.
 
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