Baja 2003 - Auto locker in front diff

BonkersBaja

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Car Year
2003
Car Model
Baja
Transmission
5mt
Built a torq locker into front diff while building a selectable locking center diff mod. Obviosly great traction. Did it just to see how it would handle. For those wondering, no one is not available. The machining costs to do what I did would be crazy like thousands of $$. I was able to do it only because I had access to all the required equipment and could machine myself. No I'm not ready to do for others, but I will share how. What is involved? How does it handle? What did I learn?

I put a 5-bolt locker from a rear into the front.
--It is a little small, so I had to build shouldered bushings to position it correctly.
--Had to normalize the cross pin and reduce the center portion to the pin diameter of a 5-bolt diff. Leave the ends original diameter to seat in diff. Re-harden
--normalized stub shafts for axles, reduced diameter at inner splines to spline diameter of 5bolt rear shafts. Re-spline to match 5-bolt, re-harden

That much worked... but handled poorly on road after an already huge investment. The lockers take a while to break-in/polish and work smoother. I found that it caused significant oversteer/understeer particularly at near dead straight as the locker was uncertain whether to lock/unlock and car would veer either direction somewhat unexpectedly. This was especially profound under hard acceleration veering as much as a foot unexpectedly.

So realizing that when putting torq lockers in the rear, they eventually smooth out and work better, I decided to see if those quirks could be remedied. Torq lockers default to locked... they are automatically unlocked. So I decided to focus on improving efficiency of unlocking.
Here is what helped dramatically.

--reduce the shoulders I built on side bushings to allow needle roller thrust bearings
--used lighter springs in the lock
--tumbled the machined lock pieces with stainless steel pellets and very fine grit in rock tumbler to put a fine polish to all surfaces (optional $$ processes)
-- built bushings that fit slightly loose over splines that take up gap between cross pin and side gears to keep axles from occasionally moving them inwards
--Cut a flat on top and bottom of shoulder of crosspin that fits the diff housing opposite of it's roll pin. Necessary for assembly with spacer bushings above.

With these mods, the locker works very well. Road manners aren't perfect... but good. Under heavy acceleration it still has some over/under steer near straight line but now only swerves an inch or so unexpectedly. If driving with light acceleration, it's completely unnoticeable.

One other thing to note. If the center diff isn't an efficient open, then the front and rear will be working against each other on turns. Even a LSD will cause the front locker to ratchet loudly and sometimes start lurching. Mine is an open with vacuum actuated lock from an 87 XT. With this arrangement, it remains nearly silent and smooth. I am delighted with how it drives offroad being always locked front and rear with a center lock available. The road manners are good... and after a week or so, you just learn to drive it so that you'd scarcely know it was modified.

In case your curious, I also built a lengthened 4.11 output shaft to go with the selectable center lock as well as put in 1.59 dual range gearing, lifted it 4 inches, 29 inch rubber, swapped in H6. Everything works... AC, cruise control, ABS...everything. Pretty much it drives like a sports car, hauls like a mini truck, and climbs like a jeep. If Subaru had sold this Baja configuration but with a LSD front for perfect handling, they'd have sold a great many more of them.:giggle:

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If Subaru had sold this Baja configuration but with a LSD front for perfect handling, they'd have sold a great many more of them.:giggle:

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Great work! And a warm :welcome: to the forum.

As for your last sentence, I feel the same about British Leyland (BMC) and the Mini Moke. Four wheel drive versions were built, but were never publicly available. If BMC had made one, they would possibly own the car world now, instead of being sold off to the far corners of the Earth.

If Subaru sold the Baja in Australia,they would sell plenty, as they did the Brumby.
 
At the local 4WD and Camping show at Adelaide showground last weekend there was a modified SF Forester converted into a ute. Incredible amount of interest was shown in it.
Definitely a market for them in OZ IF they were available.
 
At the local 4WD and Camping show at Adelaide showground last weekend there was a modified SF Forester converted into a ute. Incredible amount of interest was shown in it.
Definitely a market for them in OZ IF they were available.
Photo's? Poke.gif :D
 
Didn`t take any but it does appear on page 22 of the current, November, "Bullsheet". The magazine of the Subaru 4WD Club Of SA inc. You may be able to search and view it there. It may take a few days for it to be loaded onto the website.
 
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Didn`t take any but it does appear on page 22 of the current, November, "Bullsheet". The magazine of the Subaru 4WD Club Of SA inc. You may be able to search and view it there. It may take a few days for it to be loaded onto the website.
Ok! will have a look when it's uploaded.
 
I didn't mention in the original post, but the build also fits into a VTD 4EAT. Technically it would also fit into the MTD but you will likely get rough ratcheting and bucking in tight turns when at low speeds especially if you allow TCU to controll center lockup. The VTD behaves as an efficient open differential, which eliminates that issue making it ideal for a front locker, though again I'd take control away from TCU of center lockup.
 
More than just a rumor! TM is working on a new model for the Ascent, which will also fit newer OBW and a few other models with the big one bolt rears. You can have yourself put on a notification list.
Personally, I'm excited about this because I expect it to make the work of putting an auto lockers in the front diff a much more doable option. When these come out I'm planning to do a write up with pics as to whats involved. I believe this will put a front locking mod in reach of many more!;) Jon M
 
great but we need those videos to prove it and show how it works ... for some people to just read eng is not like impresing lol
and im not that rich or poor to pay more for locker then for car.. and for those old foresters... they cost like 3x less then that locker ... i mean cmon
 
Update: Taking what I learned perfecting the front, I reworked and perfected an autolocking center I had been working on. I swapped it into the transmission as well. We've made AWD real... now that we are full-time autolocking front, rear, and center. The end results are amazing.
It's snow and ice time here. I was concerned if fully locking my baja might cause unpredictable handling on ice. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the car handles ice considerably better than our unmodified Foresters. Heavy slush and even drifting snow no longer toss the car around. It holds icy corners very well. The car is amazingly determined to drive exactly where you point it. When you let off the accelerator, you feel the car reliably engine braking without losing grip even on icy roads. You have to apply insane amounts of power if you want to break loose and spin up all four.

The keys to success...
1. Tumble polish the lockers as well as possible... mirror finish would be great... but best you can manage.
2. Build bushings to fit between 'side gears' and cross shaft to reliably hold 'side gears' in place instead of he factory springs which are quite stiff to help hold 'side gear' portions in place.
3. Use much lighter springs. I use springs with a spring rate of only about 20% of factory springs.
4. I use Redline Heavy Shockproof... much better than just gear oil for aiding the unlocking operation and quieting clicks.

When installed with this approach, the lockers will very easily and without hesitation unlock when rocking the wheels back and forth when the car is hoisted and in neutral. You'll almost never hear any clunks from the locker when driving. Even the clicking ratcheting sounds will then be very difficult to detect under most driving conditions.

I haven't really had time to do any hard core wheeling in these conditions. But here is an interesting comparative test we did in our driveway...

Here is a pic of the finished center locker... I used a Torq locker 1-bolt for this project.

When I get chance, I'll video some offroading in our snowy river bottoms. Jon M
 

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Examples in videos like those is what we all need. Though my friend just broke rear locker based on torq locker from russians. It happened so that noone could remove cv axles from diff after .. like they stuck inside or smt ..so he removed diff with axles all together ...guess they like turned or smt...
So maybe it depends how you drive where...axles would brake or some other weaker point then... Like if you stuck in mud all wheels stuck then lockers can do some damage no ?
 
Examples in videos like those is what we all need. Though my friend just broke rear locker based on torq locker from russians.
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So maybe it depends how you drive where...axles would brake or some other weaker point then... Like if you stuck in mud all wheels stuck then lockers can do some damage no ?

I stress yet again:

Amateur "engineers" are highly unlikely to be able to design these sorts of things the way the professional engineers at the OEM design shop can, and routinely do.
 
Well we dont know how amateur they are but they making and sold hundreds lockers all over russia.. and you can destroy normal open diffs too..like i did with too much lift...
Then again locker videos came some 3 yrs ago and they gone. Nobody else doing any showings off roading or such ..so not much people using buying them maybe... If thats not the case would be nice to see more tests from torqs ... But i find couple from 2019 nothing after..
Then again tests of lockers that just drive on dry roads thats not much of test. Its not doing anything hardcore like full throtle on mud or snow...or such...
 
Then again locker videos came some 3 yrs ago and they gone. Nobody else doing any showings off roading or such ..so not much people using buying them maybe... If thats not the case would be nice to see more tests from torqs ... But i find couple from 2019 nothing after..
Then again tests of lockers that just drive on dry roads thats not much of test. Its not doing anything hardcore like full throtle on mud or snow...or such...
Here is some weekend video. It's not really hard-core, but shows some of what can do in the snow we have at present
 
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