Turbo Diesel help?

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I know it isn't a Subaru question but here goes: I want to change the way my turbo is used, it currently boosts at (around) 9psi and (again, around) 2500 rpm. I was thinking it would work better if I wound it up to 12psi and dropped it so that it kicks in at 2000 rpm. I redline at 4000 rpm, so I'm trying to get more room on the tacho for using the boost if that makes sense? Has anyone got any advice? Am I going to blow my turbo? Or will it not do anything and am I pissing in the wind?
 
Turbos are spun up using exhaust gasses. Generally the bigger the motor, the more exhaust gasses they put out / rpm meaning more turbo spool. Bigger turbos require more gas flow to spool up, which is why they only provide more boost at higher rpm.

Therefore bigger motor = boost at lower rpm, smaller turbo = boost at lower rpm, however less peak boost.

Bit of a rudimentary description and there are exceptions/ other factors that affect spool and boost (twinscroll, turbo type/ design etc).

Modern factory turbos can be tuned to spool up quite low however I'm not sure with your car if it is possible. I know that modern commonrail diesels spool around 1500-1800 rpm with a mountain of boost, however their design is much newer and a lot more computer controlled.
 
Gidday Twink

Is your Jackaroo really red-lined at only 4,000 rpm?

Geez, mate, even my 3.8L LC donk that was based on a 1928 Chev engine would spin to around 5,000 rpm, if push came to shove! It wasn't very comfortable above around 4,500 rpm, but that's a different matter. It was also an antique design engine, even when first made in 1968!
 
My turbo is rather pathetic, how would I go about looking for a new one?

Yeah it redlines at 4k exactly. But the acceleration and boost plateaus at 3250 so it's a pretty crude engine no matter how you look at it...
 
Don't over boost those motors. They don't like if from what ive heard...
If you really wanna try something buy an $8 bleed valve off ebay and crank the boost up. Shoupd get you the few more psi your after..
 
I know it isn't a Subaru question but here goes: I want to change the way my turbo is used, it currently boosts at (around) 9psi and (again, around) 2500 rpm. I was thinking it would work better if I wound it up to 12psi and dropped it so that it kicks in at 2000 rpm. I redline at 4000 rpm, so I'm trying to get more room on the tacho for using the boost if that makes sense? Has anyone got any advice? Am I going to blow my turbo? Or will it not do anything and am I pissing in the wind?

Hey mate.

You need to get on the phone and ring United Fuel Injection 08) 9478 5950 and ask the question to them. :)

Its a bit more complicated than just increasing boost I'm afraid.
 
I'm not putting a cheap ebay anything on. That's just a recipe for disaster
 
A few thoughts come to mind....

I have a 2.0 turbo and since having the turbo dump pipe replaced with a huge aftermarket one my engine now behaves like a good turbo-diesel. Before, boost wasn't available until 2000rpm or more, but now it pulls nicely from about 1200rpm. I am still running the small OEM turbo which spools up rapidly due to the freed up exhaust. Not 100% sure if the turbo diesels respond as well as turbo petrol but I'd assume so.

If no torque is gained by the exhaust mod alone, then it would be due to the tune. MRT do a Stage 1 and Stage 2 Diesel mod which makes it a dream to drive. From what I can remember it's either an ECU reflash or a piggyback.

https://www.mrtperformance.com.au/performance/power-kits/subaru/forester/forester-diesel-my2009-12
https://www.mrtperformance.com.au/p...ru/forester/subaru-forester-non-turbo-2013-on
 
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Thanks tweeksta, few problems with an ecu flash, mainly, I don't have an ecu!
 
A few thoughts come to mind....

I have a 2.0 turbo and since having the turbo dump pipe replaced with a huge aftermarket one my engine now behaves like a good turbo-diesel. Before, boost wasn't available until 2000rpm or more, but now it pulls nicely from about 1200rpm. I am still running the small OEM turbo which spools up rapidly due to the freed up exhaust. Not 100% sure if the turbo diesels respond as well as turbo petrol but I'd assume so.

If no torque is gained by the exhaust mod alone, then it would be due to the tune. MRT do a Stage 1 and Stage 2 Diesel mod which makes it a dream to drive. From what I can remember it's either an ECU reflash or a piggyback.

https://www.mrtperformance.com.au/performance/power-kits/subaru/forester/forester-diesel-my2009-12
https://www.mrtperformance.com.au/p...ru/forester/subaru-forester-non-turbo-2013-on


Turbo diesels respond extremely well to larger dump pipe and bigger exhausts. It does help with achieving earlier spool, also dependant on other factors, but its greatest benefit is to lower the EGT's (exhaust gas tempreture) which usually is the biggest killer for diesel applications.

Did you end up phoning UFI.

Cheers
 
Turbos have changed a lot over the years. But most people out there in modification land stay away from the best technology and stick with old stuff, which while good in it's day, is some way behind best practice. Take the WRX. When it ran the 2 litre engine, it came with a TD04 while the STI came with a VF35. Earlier STI's came with different turbos, such as the VF28. But the STI's (with VF35) were renowned for their turbo lag,while the TD04's just ran out of puff. But they spooled up a lot earlier and they were used for a very long time.

My 1999 WRX also came with a TD04. I initially changed it for a VF24- very similar to a VF28 that the earlier STI's came with. Boost came on 200 RPM later, but then they would also run out of puff in the top end, albeit better than the TD04. At that time and for a long period of time afterwards, the only way you could really have the low down torque of a small turbo with something that went hard at the top was with a twin scroll. But you had to change your exhaust manifolds, sump, oil pick up and so on and the car sounded terrible with them.

So I elected to wait until technology came up with something better. And it did. Billet wheel turbos give me excellent low down torque- stunning actually, and then go on to produce more power than not just the VF35, but the bigger VF34 as well. I know a bloke with a VF34 with same mods as my car, and same tuner as well. At 3,000RPM, my car has twice the power his does. It then goes on to produce a slightly higher maximum power, but it holds the power over a much wider rev range.

With a diesel, all you want is low down grunt, but whether there is a billet wheel turbo for diesels I have no idea. But it may be an avenue you wish to explore.
 
Can't go wrong with a boost Tee, as taza said, ebay is okay, or a second hand brandname one. Just make sure you get a good guage to keep an eye on it
 
Haven't called anyone yet. Getting my mechanic to look into it. Just getting free advice atm
 
+1 on catchyas comment. Freeflowing dump and zorst will be the cheapest way to bring on boost earlier without sacrificing top end.
 
Is it correct that it wont take advantage of a bigger dump/ exhaust without a tune? I got a 3" tbe exhaust made up and it improved it a little bit, spool maybe a couple of hundred rpm but the gains really were marginal. I havent had it tuned.Has no boost/ power below 2500ish rpm at all. Even with AVCS. 2.5l Na is better below these revs.
So although you go a bigger exhaust I'm not sure how much the gains will be?
 
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