Bathurst 1000

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Just finished watching it. Great race. One of the few that i enjoy with the V8s because..to me..it's the sort of track they are made for. Phillip Island is another great race. I don't like the short track sprints..best kept for WRXs or EVOs or something like that.
If every state had a PI or a Bathurst track that would be better.
0.47seconds between 1st and 2nd after 1000klms..pretty good.14secs between top 5 and 48 secs between top 10. Good stuff.
 
Great finish. Hats off to Mark Winterbottom who held off a very determined Jamie Whincup to give a Ford factory team their first win since 1977 (IIRC) with Alan Moffat! :monkeydance:

It wasnt just the battle for 1st that was so exciting, Lowndes, Tander & Bright fought hard & changed positions many times till Tander ran Bright off the track & Lowndes passed them both....great stuff :lildevil:
 
Yes it was a great race indeed.
It was very close all day, especially at the end & last 10 laps or so :raz:

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
I stopped watching motor racing of all kinds when the then French dominated world rally peak body banned Mini Coopers from rallying against other than other Mini Coopers after they came 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and 9th outright (IIRC - it's a long time ago ... ) in the 1965 (?) Monte Carlo Rally.

The Mini Cooper Ss going up the special ice section at about double the speed of the team Porsches said it all ...

This single act effectively killed BMC (later British Leyland) off as a car maker.

All because of spite! Renaults and VW were the makers which had dominated world rallying until the advent of the Alex Issigonis designed Mini in the early 1960s. They didn't like getting soundly thrashed. One of the very worst cases of rotten sportsmanship in modern history.

And Issigonis' design of the Mini revolutionised the modern car industry and car design. Ultimately leading to the almost ubiquitous use of FWD and all independent suspension with extremely rigid monocoque construction methods today. These features, along with seatbelts, airbags and almost indestructible passenger cells, have been the major reason behind the dramatic fall in the road toll IMHO.

As car designers look to shedding weight and good design in favour of fashion, we are yet again seeing cars hitting solid objects and then spreading out over large bits of the surrounding countryside ... What's the use of a seatbelt if its bottom attachment point is 10 metres away?

Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them ...
 
That's what i thought. Good race and some great driving. I'd like to see some more stuff like it. Maybe they could have a 6 hour race for up to 2ltr turbo 4s on Friday. Do it a bit like the old days...one class up to 1600cc and an another 1600>2ltr but all racing together. Fun stuff..i'd bet the Evos and Rexs would not be far off the V8 lap times.
 
I think it was one of the fastest in history due to so few crashes and safety car periods.
 
Awesome race - that's what I love to see, except the ford winning bit!

Cheers

Bennie
 
El_Freddo said:
Awesome race - that's what I love to see, except the ford winning bit!
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Group A cars are a combination of Ford and GMH parts so there is no real differentiation , but the front steering on all are Group A is GMH so intrinsically that GMH part was first so does that mean GMH actually one it?

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PigSti said:
Group A cars are a combination of Ford and GMH parts so there is no real differentiation , but the front steering on all are Group A is GMH so intrinsically that GMH part was first so does that mean GMH actually one it?
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In previous years I believe all the diffs were Ford, as was the front suspension. Overall there was more Ford in a Holden than Holden in a Ford :raspberry:

This year, they've gone to a contol rear transaxle (gearbox & diff in one unit), control chassis, control ECU & brakes & other components. So there is very little OEM in each of the 4 makes other than body panel shape (but not the actual panels) & headlights/taillights.

As the Ford headlights crossed the line first Ford did indeed win! :lildevil::raspberry:
 
Name a Holden that runs double wishbone front suspension. None do. Before thadvent of COTF, they all ran live axles (Ford 9" diffs) with Watts linkage, which has never been on a Holden but was on Falcon till AU. The basic engine in the Falcon race car was available in a road car till 2001. The Holden race engine is not a Holden engine and has never been available in a road car as far as I know. The earlier Chev engines were a development of the old small block, and prior to that Holdens ran Holden engines.A Ford Ford has not won Bathurst since 1971. A Holden Holden has not won since 1969.
 
Here is a clip of what I remember Bathurst was like, yep I'm an oldie. Got a tear in my eye when I saw the Mofatt's Cobras working over those tiny Toranas. They were best race days...

No confusion here who's driving what!

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKSXWH3aEEE"]1978 Bathurst 1000 opening Laps - YouTube[/ame]

:cool:
 
Rally said:
A Ford Ford has not won Bathurst since 1971. A Holden Holden has not won since 1969.
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Well put :rotfl:

PigSti said:
It's why I have a Subaru, it's a know pedigree.
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Except that some of the electronics are Mitsubishi :raspberry:

PigSti said:
Got a tear in my eye when I saw the Mofatt's Cobras working over those tiny Toranas.
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Although a Ford fan I still like the Toranas, esp the XU1...more nimble than the XC (?) of Moffat. A genuine XU1 or SLR5000 is worth a pretty penny now ;)
 
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What about the HSV VT GTS 300 that won the Bathurst production touring car race beating even WRXs and EVOs?? Sorry your post does say a holden holden hasn't won Bathurst since 1969 not hasn't won Bathurst 1000.... :P

Then there was the 1, 2 finish in the Bathurst 24 hour by the GRM HRT Monaros.

Also remember it was Ford threatening to pull out after holden dominated 1997-2002 that meant holden had to switch to the double wishbone front suspension. Holden were running macpherson struts up till ford had a cry. You can see how bad all the ford parts effects the holdens cause holden then lost like 3 years straight till they reengineered all the ford out of the ford parts.


Rally said:
Name a Holden that runs double wishbone front suspension. None do. Before thadvent of COTF, they all ran live axles (Ford 9" diffs) with Watts linkage, which has never been on a Holden but was on Falcon till AU. The basic engine in the Falcon race car was available in a road car till 2001. The Holden race engine is not a Holden engine and has never been available in a road car as far as I know. The earlier Chev engines were a development of the old small block, and prior to that Holdens ran Holden engines.A Ford Ford has not won Bathurst since 1971. A Holden Holden has not won since 1969.
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In the GTP days, the Holden's (The GTS) were given freedoms but I think it would be fair to say that when people talk about Bathurst, it is generally assumed to mean the 1000km race and the old 500 mile race. The GTS never won a championship. As for that farce that was the so called "Monaro" that won the 24 hour race, that was an utter disgrace. Only allowed into the event to get more spectators- Holden ones- it had about as much in common with a real Monaro as my lawn mower. I suspect it was born because the GTS had proven overall to be a failure. How else can you explain why it was the ONLY car in the field allowed to have a far bigger engine than the car on which it was loosely based- 7 litre vs 5.7, front end changed to double wishbone as opposed to the road cars strut, and so on.

I lost interest in V8 Supercars in the mid 90's. When the 5 litre come V8 Supercar formula was first introduced, we were told that there would be no changes to the Holden or Ford packages for a year. A few races into the 1993 season, and Glenn Seton winning many of the races, at the EC round the Holdens were allowed to run their 1994 aero package while the Fords still had to run the 93 package. holden won everything after that. So complete and unfair was the domination, Perkins won from a lap down. The Fords received their 94 aero package in 94, but with the Holdens having 6 months or more development, it was not till mid years the Fords got their act together. Come 1995, bothh Ford with the EF and Holden with the VR had new aero packages. But the Fords were doing better and after one "nobbling" did not work, the Fords had to remove 200mm from their front undertrays that the Holdens kept. Once again, the Holdens won just about everything after that, and continued on into 1996 with the same advantage. Despite having greater domination with these advantages than the Fords had without them, the Holdens were not effectively nobbled until "Blueprint"came in. I lost interest after that. Yes, the favourtism shown to Holden in those days has gone, but I still don't have the passion for the sport I once did.
 
Rally said:
I lost interest in V8 Supercars in the mid 90's.
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I lost interest when the FORD SIERRA RS500 COSWORTH started competing. It was bulsh1t seeing that the Sierra was not publically available in Australia!

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