Auto Vs Manual

dellsfozz

dellsfozz

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hydrowill said:
I can't wait to fit the snorkel either! Just need more time in the week :P



This car is also my daily drive so it would bore the cr@p out of me if it where an auto. Tows the 1.2T boat no worries and TBH I won't be towing much heavier than that. Also I don't like the way you feel disengaged offroad driving an auto, becomes point and shoot driving which I'm not a fan of. Had no issues with the gear box so far, not like I have been dropping the clutch on massive amounts of revs, you would have to be silly to do that in an AWD anyway unless you are Ken Block.
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^That's what I used to say years ago because I am a manual driver but converted now to an Autobox lover, but in saying that, I still love manual vehicles being currently owner of a WRX, Forester GT, Liberty GT Spec B with an STI 6 speed, Suzuki Vitara 4WD wagon lifted with 33" BF Goodrich ATR and a 10 ton Isuzu crane truck. I respect your gearbox choice hydrowill and scooby2 but you can't be too negative on Autobox especially with the new technology nowadays. These are some facts on Autobox:
Ken Block's car is an Auto sport shift and so with the latest WRC rally cars.
The fast winning cars in Drag strips are Auto including the top fuel drag cars.
Formula 1 cars are all Autobox sportshift.
Offroad competition 4WD's are nearly all Auto's including the Rock Crawlers.
These are just some that I can think of now, I don't think these drivers of the above cars are bored cr@p driving them. :lol:
The Subaru manual box are fine in offroad and no problem towing a load going forward but it's not ideal when you reverse up on a slight slope driveway doing maneuvering/parking a good size boat or a trailer. Same thing when you are in a situation where you have to reverse uphill on a 4WD tracks. I will guarantee you that you will slip that clutch, no matter how good driver you are. I don't point and shoot in driving my sportshift Autobox, Instead, I drive very slow and gentle in many very serious off road experiences I had especially in bigger boulder/rocks and deep ruts because you can't stall an Auto. Therefore INHO, it's a lot safer and a lot more engaging doing serious offroads driving and yeah, it's not fun changing burnt clutches. Anyway, that's just my 50 cents, don't get me wrong I still like your car and keep up the good work and mods.;)
 
You do realise that pretty much every car you have referenced above as using an auto box might use a gearbox where the actual gear deselection and gear selection is controlled some what by a computer those gearboxes with the exception of the drag car is basically a manual gearbox with a computer controlled clutch. In any case the actual workings of the gearbox shares much more with a manual then an auto, it'st just when the drivers moves the stick or hits the button it sends a signal to the ecu to change gears.

With regards to top fuel drag cars, they might use what seems like an auto but it in no way reflectrs the gearbox in your subie. They normally use air pressure to create enough force to actually make the gearbox select the next gear.

I like to see a dyno sheet of your 640nm+ 2.5L turbo motor? Thats impressive what mods?
 
Woah woah woah wasn't attacking you in any way man. Really did only just have a choice between the 4at in the car (pos) and a manual box. And I enjoy driving the manual car a lot more. Also one less thing to go wrong now I have eliminated the autocontroller. I do find driving an auto day to day boring.
 
Some Auto gearboxes are better than Manuals. Such as subaru CVT (IMO).

However the 4SPD POS boxes that subaru fit are most definitely not better. The ratios are terrible resulting in massive loss of 'go'.

On topic loving your OB setup Hydrowill! Looks like mine did when it was lifted (minus that awesome roof tent and snorkel). Makes me miss it.

One day when I have funds and time to sort out the collapsing rear strut problem I might just raise it again. :)

Might I ask just out of curiosity why you opted to mount your UHF Arial where it is rather than the mount on the Bullbar?
 
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Biesel said:
You do realise that pretty much every car you have referenced above as using an auto box might use a gearbox where the actual gear deselection and gear selection is controlled some what by a computer those gearboxes with the exception of the drag car is basically a manual gearbox with a computer controlled clutch. In any case the actual workings of the gearbox shares much more with a manual then an auto, it'st just when the drivers moves the stick or hits the button it sends a signal to the ecu to change gears.

With regards to top fuel drag cars, they might use what seems like an auto but it in no way reflectrs the gearbox in your subie. They normally use air pressure to create enough force to actually make the gearbox select the next gear.

I like to see a dyno sheet of your 640nm+ 2.5L turbo motor? Thats impressive what mods?
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Hydrowill, I am so sorry for getting off topic and somewhat spamming your nice thread mate. I'm cool on this and this is just to share some ideas.:lol:

But for last time, Can I please do one more comment coz I just like to clear and clarify to Biesel's comment above.^^
A "Manual Gearbox" is the one with mechanical clutch operated physically by the driver and also it has a gear stick that select the gears which mechanically and physically operated by also the driver.
Other than that, if a gearbox has got no mechanical clutch and it's gear selection and clutch is operated by computer(ecu), hydraulic valves, pneumatic(air) valve or electric solenoids the gearbox is called "Automatic Gearbox", whether it's full auto or semi-auto which they refer as Tiptronic, Sportshift and Sequencial shift like the one I have in my 06 Forester XT with an Electronic Active Torque Split Center Differential which is very similar to the DCCD in manual box. This is the one that controlls the front and rear drive torque split bias. This feature is excellent aid in maximizing traction in offroad and onroad driving.:cool: The CVT(Contant Variable Transmission) is still an Automatic Gearbox.
I would be happy to answer the other question of my forester's modifications, power and torque figure in my own thread. So, check out my ride and throw me some question in there. Thanks, hydrowill for letting me and I leave you in peace. Cheers mate!;) I'm looking forward to see the fitting of your snorkel.
 
Dellsfoz, chill mate you've gone down the wrong path re read my post in a calmer frame of mind you'll see what you and have said following up is basically what i said on the other page. All i'm pointing out is you are painting several very different technologies all with one brush.
 
argh cmon everybody just chill. We all love our Subarus. Auto or Manual. It really comes down to a personal preference OR ... what your car comes with at the time, because not always does everybody have a choice.

Best regards,
 
Well said Scooby2 :)

And remember the mods & admin are always watching :cool:

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Now that we're in our own thread lol...

IMO a "manual" is better referred to as a gearbox, where there is a clutch & actual gears. This may be manual or semi-automatic & may have 1 or 2 clutches. An "auto" is better referred to as a transmission, using a torque converter & fluid to drive the output, it may be fully or semi-automatic.

A "manual" isnt how the gears are changed, its how the box is designed...gears="manual", torque converter="auto" :iconwink:
 
Gidday Mr T & All

mr turbo said:
Well said Scooby2 :)
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Agreed.

And remember the mods & admin are always watching :cool:

Regards
Mr Turbo
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Yup ...

And much as I love manual transmissions, being stuck in traffic in Power St, Kew, yesterday in Roo2, I would have swapped it in an eye blink for SWMBO's auto ... My left shoulder is still giving me curry, and changing gears is one of the worst things for it :(.

Everyone has different preferences in life. It doesn't mean that someone else's are right or wrong, or that one's own preferences are right or wrong. Both have their place.
It is our differences and diversity that make us interesting to one another, and add to life's richness :poke: :) :biggrin: :cool:
 
Ratbag said:
Everyone has different preferences in life. It doesn't mean that someone else's are right or wrong, or that one's own preferences are right or wrong. Both have their place.
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Agreed.

People can drive what ever vehicle (auto/man) they like, as it's their car & their choice.

I have a manual & love it :raz: But thats just me :iconwink:
Other people have an auto & thats ok too :)

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
NachaLuva said:
Now that we're in our own thread lol...
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Yeah awesome, I didn't know mods could cut up a thread and create a new one from it! First time I've seen it done - I'm impressed!

As for the manual auto thing from where this started, I agree with Hydrowill, once you know what the raw power of the H6 is really like you'd not want an auto behind one - might as well run a 2L turbo auto instead!

Some of us build our cars for a certain purpose, some have a certain purpose stock vehicles can fill. I think I fit in with Hydrowill with the offroad build, yes autos are great for offroading through the slow stuff, but 1) they're really really expensive when something goes wrong with them and 2) you don't get engine braking with them, and I'll be buggered using reverse to slow me down when going in a forward direction (seen it done before!).

Plus I love deciding when to change gears/what the car should be doing as I'm that kind of driver ;)

My 5c worth!

Cheers

Bennie
 
I am definitely a manual lover, provided there is sufficient lowrange for offroad. For on road manual all the way.

I have often though a manual gearbox with a small, short use only torque converter somewhere between the clutch and gearbox would be awesome. When offroad and you need to crawl up something having the option to disconnect the direct drive and instead supply power through a torque converter would be sweet. No clutch burning, easier on everything and once you are through lock out the torque converter and you have a manual again.

Sure there would be some technical issues with that idea but I think the concept is awesome.
 
Deadman change to an EJ25 or EJ22 block like I did and you will be ble to crawl quite easily at 1500rpm in low 1st ith plenty of extra power. I am yet to significantly burn my clutch with the new engine due to the extra torque factor. Except when I try and take off in 3rd gear, but non the less it does it surprisingly easy for 3rd.
 
taza said:
Dedman change to an EJ25 or EJ22 block
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Maybe one day..... Well out of my price range at the minute.

To be honest as long as im driving without heaps of extra weight in the car (which is the case most of the time) I find the EJ20 perfectly adequate and have never run out of power even when climbing some stupidly steep stuff with heaps of wheel spin. I find I can climb almost anything in 1st low at a steady 2200 rpm no issues. This of course is not on sand which makes a huge difference and I sure with a fully loaded car it would be a different story.

This is one of the main reasons I haven't changed from stock wheel size, I feel if i went up a few sizes the engine would be struggling a lot more which was some what evident when I went driving with FozzyMatt. I could go up hills far more slowly than he could.

The idea i mentioned above was not because of lack of power it was more for rock crawling situations where you want to just crawl through at well under stall speed no matter what engine you have.
 
Dedman said:
The idea i mentioned above was not because of lack of power it was more for rock crawling situations where you want to just crawl through at well under stall speed no matter what engine you have.
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The WA guys wouldn't know what you're talking about Dedman! :poke:

Cheers

Bennie
 
it really depends on what type of car and what the car is being used for. all of my cars have been manual while all of my missus cars have been auto.
if the car is a sports cars or a car driven for the power (like hyrdowills H6) then yes i would also go manual.
however if its a daily that you don't car too much about performance then i love auto. I love the 4sp in our 04 xs and it makes the drive just so much more enjoyable and smooth but this is because i don't expect it to drive like a rocket.
off roading is a whole other ball game and comes down to the car. my jimny wouldn't move if it was auto so manual was the only option.
In comparing subarus were the low-range isn't that low i would choose auto every time for a off road vehicle just because its easier to go slow. if it were a landcruiser and the low-range is awesome i would go manual for the engine breaking.
i suppose what im trying to say is that it all depends on the car and what one is using that car for to decide whether auto or manual is a better choice but overall i love a good auto box :)
 
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