Winch on Forester

While a snatch block might give it the same rating. I am sure you'll find the quality of the casing/fasteners etc of a 6000/8000lb winch to be far above that of a 4000lb winch. Espcially a top brand like mean mother. I agree with you regarding the weight though.

4000lb winchs are more designed for ATV, quads etc.
 
^ Agree wholeheartedly.

We had trouble recovering a fully bogged WWII C49 jeep using the farm tractor. And one doesn't really need to flog a 60 HP tractor (that's drawbar horsepower, folks ... ) in order to get things done. The gearing torque and power are a given, specially with diesel engined tractors.

As I said recently to a company - I'm betting my life on your product; it has to work properly! A thread about that in the next day or so.

Creeper winches are a lot less convenient than powered winches, but are far more flexible IMO.

One is also less likely to overload a creeper winch for a lot of reasons. If you do overload a rated creeper winch, you are just going to break the ratchet handle pin, and there should be a spare (or two) in the handle ... :iconwink: :biggrin:.

BTW DMW, that's a real bugger about busting up your winch :(. Good luck with the fleabay seller mate.
 
DedmanWalking said:
I have emailed the ebay seller to see if they will send me a new one as it was sold with a 2 year warranty but I don’t like my chances.
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NachaLuva said:
IMO there is no doubt he should replace it or refund your money. It failed doing the job it was purchased for.
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I agree.
It will be interesting to hear what they have to say.

I think you have a very good case for a full refund indeed.

Let us know how you go with it all mate :)

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Also please correct me if i'm wrong but is a rating for a winch just the amount of weight it can pull. not the amount of weight it can recover?

For example I bought a Just straps tow strap. it has a tow rating of 2400kg but a recovery rating of 1900kgs.
 
^Yep thats correct although relating vehicle weight to max recovery force required is rather difficult and completely circumstantial.


Also I forgot to mention that the other reason why i went for the 4000lbs winch over something bigger is that i figured that any more force applied to the foresters body may result in some damage to the frame. Figured if you were stuck that badly better do some extra work to get out rather than rip the front of the car off. Guess the snatch block kind of defeats that though....
 
Gidday Biesel

Biesel said:
Also please correct me if i'm wrong but is a rating for a winch just the amount of weight it can pull. not the amount of weight it can recover?

For example I bought a Just straps tow strap. it has a tow rating of 2400kg but a recovery rating of 1900kgs.
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Depends ... Stuff one buys on fleabay from China could have proper ratings, but then again it might not.

DMW's experience should give us all reason to pause and consider what some of these "ratings" are worth. Looking at the internal damage to his winch, it's flaming amazing that something didn't come off under tension and cause serious damage or death ...

My creeper winch has a rolling rating of 2,400 Kgs (5,280 UK pounds) and 1,600 Kgs (3,520 UK pounds) SWL in a dead lift. The GVM of the MY06 Fox is 1,900 Kgs.

Reviews that I have read of this winch give it excellent scores. More about it here:
https://www.offroadsubarus.com/showthread.php?t=3302
 
My Just straps tow strap isn't from ebay it's a good rep brand. hence why I bought it.
 
Ratbag said:
DMW's experience should give us all reason to pause and consider what some of these "ratings" are worth. Looking at the internal damage to his winch, it's flaming amazing that something didn't come off under tension and cause serious damage or death ...
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Being completely inside the bumper acts as a good shield for personal injury. But yes could still have caused injury if unlucky. I think NachaLuva got a bit of a fright when it went bang the first time.

I think that the rating was fairly accurate in that it probably could pull 4000lbs however i expected that the winch would just stall when more that 4k was reached not for the winch to completely disintegrate....... I would like to think a more expensive warn winch or something similar would have just stalled.
 
Gidday DMW

DedmanWalking said:
Being completely inside the bumper acts as a good shield for personal injury. But yes could still have caused injury if unlucky.
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When one looks at a lot of these things, one is struck by how many potentially disastrous things don't happen, and how many seemingly innocent things have deadly serious consequences. However, one cannot live one's life in fear of that sort of thing; other than taking all reasonable care.

I think NachaLuva got a bit of a fright when it went bang the first time.
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You probably would have had to fetch me out of the nearest tree ... :rotfl:. I do have a pretty quick startle reaction ... :iconwink:


I think that the rating was fairly accurate in that it probably could pull 4000lbs however i expected that the winch would just stall when more that 4k was reached not for the winch to completely disintegrate....... I would like to think a more expensive warn winch or something similar would have just stalled.
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I think that the more expensive/heavier duty brands probably have better overload protection - both physical and electrical.

I did notice that the rope on yours was bunched up against one end of the capstan. This may well have contributed to the winches failure. Possibly through both overloading the reel side at that end, and possibly also binding against the housing. Anyway, you are the best person to determine what happened - you have the bits there to examine.

Good luck getting the warranty honoured, but I really don't like your chances much. Give it your best shot though, and I wish you the very best of luck.
 
DedmanWalking said:
I think NachaLuva got a bit of a fright when it went bang the first time.
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Ratbag said:
You probably would have had to fetch me out of the nearest tree ... :rotfl:. I do have a pretty quick startle reaction ... :iconwink:.
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I must admit I did step back a little :rotfl:

Did you notice when the rope snapped there was NO recoil? None at all! Makes Dyneema rope a pretty safe recovery method as if something does detach it wont go flying through the air.
 
NachaLuva said:
Does look good. However note that the remote is an extra USD$284
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Yeah but im pretty electrically savvy and sure I could use my existing remote with some small modifications. Pretty sure if i found one in Australia then it would be heaps more pricey anyway....
 
Don't forget to get the max rateing on any winch it has to be on the first wound. not all the way spooled in. I noticed a big difference on my Warn 9000I winch when using just about all of my wire using couple of snatch blocks than hooking it up to a recovery vehicle.
 
Isn't it only the wireless remote you have to buy? i think it includes the wired remote?
 
Biesel said:
https://www.runvawinch.com.au/winches/atv/4-5x-hitch-package/

These review well on 4wd facebook pages, the brand anyway.
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Looks like a nice unit. Im almost thinking if i dont get a replacement of my old winch (which is looking unlikely) then maybe ill upgrade to a more powerful unit and redo all my bar work to hold it. Been looking at this one;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ORU-900...=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c2cc5ce01

Havent heard much about them but looks and sounds decent enough
 
Guess you got over your concerns about weight! Lol, personally I'd try and stay away from ebay stuff, though i guess a foz is unlikely to break even a cheap 9000lb winch.
 
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