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Last month the +1 and I did our 3rd trip in the outback and had a hoot.

4 states, 5k km.

Melb. - Silverton (outside Broken Hill) - Tibooburra - Innamincka via Cameron Cnr - Birdsville - Marree - Flinders Ranges and home.

Doing the Birdsville or Strez Tks was high on the agenda, just to see how well the Fozz would cope and also to enjoy those wide-open plains. We'd done the Ood. Tk twice.

In the event, two of those legs were classified by the SA road authorities as 4WD only at the time and the Foz coped well. It was dealing with water over the road and dried out ruts. We found the Foz had the 20cm clearance that most 4WDs have so with an alloy sump guard and a similar track there was no drama. (LoL, we did end up doing some 30 km of the old Strez due to misleading signage and poor nav on my part, with the tank rapidly draining over 2nd and 3rd gear diversions and the missus white-knuckled but got to Inna without embarrassment).

We even did Little Red outside of Birdsville (with the tyre pressure dropped to 20psi) when a bunch of proper 4by drivers were parked below unwilling to try it (mind you, the missus walked up!).

Two events kinda captured the essence. One was a Tib. local who said 'you can get anywhere in this country provided you're prepared to stop'. Very appropriate if kinda Irish logic. The other was at a bush camp outside of Blinman in the Flinders R, when in the morning it was so cold the fridge temp dropped a degree when I got out the stuff for brekky! -2 at 8am!

We towed a light off-road CT which also coped well, apart from some odd lekky light probs.

Our std practice is to set up camp, pref. a bush camp, for 3 nights, to make the setup/packup time overhead worthwhile.

Best bush camps? Actually hard to pick this time. Penrose Park in Silverton (semi-bush). Tibooburra Aboriginal Land Council camp 3 km outside of Tib. (little known gem). Cullyamurra Waterhole on the Cooper Ck outside of Innamincka (stunning amount of birdlife). B/ville Campground overlooking the Billabong (equally stunning birdlife).

And while we knew it was going to be cold, it was bloody freezing and thank heavens I'd hacked a 9kg gas bottle as a brazier and taken the chainsaw along.

Electric and electronic failure seem to be the price I pay for these trips. At one stage I had 3 mobiles and the satphone that wouldn't work/connect when they should've and a new Jaycar laptop charger that failed to perform.

Many thanks to Kevin for his advice on tyres. Out there is rough on the rubber. I'd had fitted a new set of D697s which performed faultlessly and took along a spare wheel and spare tyre, both D693s.

Details: MY08. Subaxtreme sump guard. CT: Johnnos light off-road CT. ISatPhonePro sat phone.
 

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Gidday Ern

Sounds like a terrific trip. Bloody COLD ;) ...

Interesting to see someone doing these things towing a light trailer.
It is also my intention to tow my "new" trailer to some of these sorts of places, so good to hear that you encountered no problems (see thread "A new trailer for the Ratbag" here).

As you can see, I have panniers for water and fuel jerry cans; 9 Kg gas bottle holder. Mine hasn't got a tent on top.

Has your trailer got a standard 50mm ball hitch, or one of those special off-road hitches? Do you think it makes any difference?

Like Taza, I really like the shot of your Fox on top of the dune. Lovely colours. Very nice shot. I'm profoundly envious ... :poke: :cool:
 
Hi Ratbag, our CT has a std ball hitch cos we're not really set up for or committed to high clearance 4WD tracks, and it hasn't failed us so far. For a bit more flexibility we could fit a Highland hitch.

We bought the johnnos light off-road premier 2nd hand and spent 4k upgrading it: 200ah battery capacity, outlets, lekky brakes, charging circuit from the Foz, hand brake etc. Gives us around 5 days camped, just running a fridge, couple of lights and some device battery charging.

Electric brakes were on the borderline. The base weight of the unit is 500 kg; we expected to exceed the 750kg required for mandatory brakes but haven't measured total load. Bottom line is that it's good not to risk your CT to be pushing you!

Ball weight remains a prob. With a 20l jerry of fuel and 40l of water on the CT I wasn't happy with the depression of the springs at the car rear but it turned out not to be an issue driving to the conditions.

Taza, yep, that was a hoot. Had no idea of whether it'd do it but it wasn't too far from help. Always good to try something and now it's given me an itch to try the Simpson (but without the CT I reckon).

Thunder, I listed the tyres in the OP.
 
Sounds like you had a great time - well done! Why didn't you have a go at Big red? (14-15 psi for that one)
 
G'day again Ern

Hi Ratbag, our CT has a std ball hitch cos we're not really set up for or committed to high clearance 4WD tracks, and it hasn't failed us so far. For a bit more flexibility we could fit a Highland hitch.

I didn't think you would. Some of these things strike me as being highly expensive and completely unnecessary ... !!
I have towed a tandem axle tandem horse float full of horses (and concrete blocks; fence posts; steel poles - just not all at the same time ... :iconwink:) all sorts of places with a standard 5000 lb 50 mm ball and hitch behind my '68 LC without the slightest problem. It had hydraulic over-ride brakes on the front axle.

We bought the johnnos light off-road premier 2nd hand and spent 4k upgrading it: 200ah battery capacity, outlets, lekky brakes, charging circuit from the Foz, hand brake etc. Gives us around 5 days camped, just running a fridge, couple of lights and some device battery charging.

Electric brakes were on the borderline. The base weight of the unit is 500 kg; we expected to exceed the 750kg required for mandatory brakes but haven't measured total load. Bottom line is that it's good not to risk your CT to be pushing you!

Ball weight remains a prob. With a 20l jerry of fuel and 40l of water on the CT I wasn't happy with the depression of the springs at the car rear but it turned out not to be an issue driving to the conditions.

That's why I went against conventional wisdom and fitted the 20L water and fuel panniers behind the axle. I figure I can always load heavy stuff at the front if necessary to increase the ball weight, but flaming hard to remove it if a lot of heavy stuff is already at the front of the trailer.

My gas bottle holder and spare tyre/rim are on the draw bar. The tyres and rims are all Forester steelies. I have left space for a fridge holder between the front gate and the gas bottle.

I plan to use some old style roof bars on the trailer lid, and attach my roof basket to them. This will only have my tent bag (square) and the extra spare tyre (no rim) on it. All my recovery and general camping gear will normally live in the trailer. The trailer lid folds sideways to form a 7 x 4 foot camp table when open.

I very much doubt that my trailer will even get close to 750 Kgs fully loaded. The springs were rated to 12 cwt each (a bit over 600 Kgs each), but that was just over 30 years ago ... The (new) axle and hubs are rated for 1400 Kgs (IIRC). I should take it up to the local Council rubbish transfer station and get them to weigh it for me. I can then disconnect it from the car and weigh the dolly wheel weight to add back to the weight. Should be close enough.

The new draw bar is a steel 75 x 50 mm heavy structural box section, with a central 40 x 40 mm angle iron brace.

I doubt that I am likely to break any of these things anywhere I am brave (or stupid) enough to try to tow it ...

Glad to hear that you didn't have any problems at all with yours.
 
Looks & sounds like you had a fantastic & unforgettable time :raz:
I too like the pic of your Forry sitting at the top of Little Red :ebiggrin:

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Kevin, I would've tried it happily but domestic harmony was a consideration.

After parking at 'little' we walked over the dune ridge for some way, enjoying the stillness and watching the many Kites overhead. Astounded at the 'desert' in flood.

Ratbag, sounds like you're across the tech stuff; you should have a good time out there. IMO it's worth every cent in time and money.

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G'day again Ern

Kevin, I would've tried it happily but domestic harmony was a consideration.

I'm not sure whether my SWMBO's hatred of camping is a good thing, or a bad thing ... :ebiggrin:

After parking at 'little' we walked over the dune ridge for some way, enjoying the stillness and watching the many Kites overhead. Astounded at the 'desert' in flood.

That's pretty startling to see the desert flooded in that way.

Ratbag, sounds like you're across the tech stuff; you should have a good time out there. IMO it's worth every cent in time and money.

Thanks, Ern. I need to get a few things yet, such as an EPIRB; and a personal Warfarin INR tester ... :iconwink:

Have attached a few more pics. (Sorry, all copyright is mine).

Nice shots of a pretty rare event ... :)
Would be great to see. I love the desert, always have.
 
FWIW my partner is not an outdoorsy type so I've worked to make the trips fit her style and comfort prefs. and also what she's willing to contribute. Win-win. We both come back feeling stoked.

Re emergency stuff I've tried a few devices and reckon the Spot Messenger 2 is the best value for money providing you understand its limitations.
 
Hi again Ern

FWIW my partner is not an outdoorsy type so I've worked to make the trips fit her style and comfort prefs. and also what she's willing to contribute. Win-win. We both come back feeling stoked.

I think you misunderstand ... :rotfl:
My SWMBO even loathes cheapish motels. Forget camping ...

Re emergency stuff I've tried a few devices and reckon the Spot Messenger 2 is the best value for money providing you understand its limitations.

Thanks for that. I have found the FindMeSpot devices before. They seem to be the best (and cheapest) available, AFAICS. AND I just love the brand name ... :). Good to have others add their thoughts to the selection process.

As a silly old fart of 65 y.o. with some serious health problems, it is plain sensible not to wander off into the wilderness without such a device, just IMNSHO.
 
k, that moves the parts of the jigsaw a bit.

As an old phart of 59 I'm happy to go out there and do or die.

But part of the deal with the missus is a satphone so she can chk on her Mum's status.

Couldn't see any other value-add myself til I read up on what RFDS do. Impressive.

When I'm out bushwalking or ski-touring on my own the Messenger is good enough I reckon.
 
Good to finally see a report Ern, did you end up using the yellow cellophane? ;)

LOL. No; we were expecting lots of mozzies due to the amazing amount of standing water up there but didn't need to worry. Only heard two over the 3 weeks. I guess the low temps o/n kept them dozy.
 
one of those special off-road hitches? Do you think it makes any difference?
My experience is yes. I have seen where a trailer has come off the ball in rough corrugated conditions and have towed light trailers with a ball and now the Trigg hitch that I have for my Stockman Podtrailer. It has a more insulated feel with none of the "knocking" that a ball will give. And more articulation too.

My Podtrailer camper weighs 350kg empty and 450 loaded with full water tank, 2 x 20L fuel tanks each side in front of the trailer wheels, spare under the rear of the trailer and assorted gear in the storage unit on the drawbar in front of the trailer. I have weighed it when fully loaded at 47kg at the hitch so it is well balanced and tows that way. It still felt stable at 170km/h once! I have towed it almost 40,000km around Australia now including across the Gibb River Road and have never had one thing go wrong (touch wood)
 
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Tow balls and trailers

Gidday Guzzla

My experience is yes. I have seen where a trailer has come off the ball in rough corrugated conditions and have towed light trailers with a ball and now the Trigg hitch that I have for my Stockman Podtrailer. It has a more insulated feel with none of the "knocking" that a ball will give. And more articulation too.

Interesting observation about ball and hitch separating like that. I have never seen one do that, even with a 30 foot caravan that had rolled 3 times and rolled the Ford Falcon s/w towing it ( ... :( ) twice!! The van was on its roof, still attached to the Falcon which was on its side! Thank goodness no one was injured. The rig was ravelling down a long hill. The driver said to me "The trailer started to sway, and I just touched the brakes"!

I cannot accurately say how many miles I have towed my tandem axle tandem horse float, my "new" 7x4 box trailer and many other miscellaneous objects. Tens of thousands of miles, at least.

The biggest conventional one was probably a 45' caravan (mobile home?) through the Adelaide Hills down to its new resting place on the plains (with my '68 LWB LC). Worst part was backing the flaming thing up a 19th century 'driveway' at the side of the house ... I have also towed and backed multiple four wheel steering farm trailers behind our various tractors, but they were pin connections.

I have also always paid considerable attention to the fit of the hitch to the ball. If one adjusts this so that the hitch will just move freely over its entire range, but no more, then one just doesn't get knocking, not ever. It also removes this source of strain and potential breakage.

Tow ball height relative to the hitch is of fundamental importance with tandem axle trailers, as is wheel bearing adjustment and maintenance. Tandem axle trailers are much harder on wheel bearings than single axle trailers are; and therefore need more attention and maintenance. Ball and hitch height must be near as possible to identical with tandem axle trailers for all sorts of reasons - load distribution; braking; handling; wheel bearing stress; etc. If wheel bearings are not maintained properly and the ball/hitch height is mis-matched, breaking an axle stub is almost a certainty. I speak from personal experience ... :( .

My Podtralier camper weighs 350kg empty and 450 loaded with full water tank, 2 x 20L fuel tanks each side in front of the trailer wheels, spare under the rear of the trailer and assorted gear in the storage unit on the drawbar in front of the trailer. I have weighed it when fully loaded at 47kg at the hitch so it is well balanced and tows that way. It still felt stable at 170km/h once! I have towed it almost 40,000km around Australia now including across the Gibb River Road and have never had one thing go wrong (touch wood)

I don't know what my trailer weighs now. When I moved myself from Adelaide to Melbourne, I was careering down Hayden's Cutting (? The one with the reservoir at the bottom) in Number One Colt (we owned 3 of them, over 13 years). I was doing 140 km/h when I noticed the copper with the radar gun in the little parking area at the bottom of the hill :poke: ...
He just laughed and waved me past. I was doing about 20 km/h in second LR when I crested the top of the hill ... :lol: :rotfl:
BUT it did make it up the hill! God alone knows what the fully loaded trailer weighed, but well in excess of the towing capacity of the car, that's for sure!
That was in 1982. My "new" trailer is that one, substantially rebuilt.
 
even with a 30 foot caravan that had rolled 3 times and rolled the Ford Falcon s/w towing it ( ... :( ) twice!!

A great reason why the pivoting hitches are preferred offroad / in the outback. If the trailer rolls it won't take the car with it. This has happened a couple of times in our club and the vehicles remained upright even though the trailers flipped.
 
Gidday Kevin

Interesting observation about ball and hitch separating like that. I have never seen one do that, even with a 30 foot caravan that had rolled 3 times and rolled the Ford Falcon s/w towing it ( ... :( ) twice!!

A great reason why the pivoting hitches are preferred offroad / in the outback. If the trailer rolls it won't take the car with it. This has happened a couple of times in our club and the vehicles remained upright even though the trailers flipped.

Good thinking.

These days, I prefer to avoid towing things that are large/heavy enough to wag the "dog" ... :iconwink: :lol:

Also, these days brakes are mandatory on anything over 750 Kgs GVM. Not such a bad law, even if I have "broken" it many times in the distant past.

I think that the moral of the story is not to tow things that are more than 2/3~3/4 the mass of the laden towing vehicle, whether braked or not; and to avoid doing bloody stupid things while towing anything ... :poke: :rotfl:
 
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