Forester vs Rav4

Since Subaru and Toyota are working side by side to come up with new cars, designs and technology couldn't they put some of that 'locking centre differential' and real lsd's into the Subarus??? Even some more clearance with the Forester and Outback range.
Put some of that 4WD excellence that Toyota has into Subaru and that good road car stuff into some of Toyota cars. Come on its what we all want :lildevil:

Then we get toyotas that look too much like subarus and subarus that look too much like toyotas!

Its basically the same thing with the falcons and commodores!

What they should be looking at doing is creating common items such as ball joints, tie rod ends, brakes etc that are shared among many models of the same weight category. This would make parts much easier to come by!

I do agree with the lift, LSD and centre diff lock - but subaru don't really need toyota to do that, otherwise we'll end up with a front and rear live axle conglomerate!

My 5c anyway!

Cheers

Bennie
 
^^^ Yep, then you wind up with crap like this!
Welcome to the Chevy Forester in India. Next thing you know they will be throwing Subaru logos on a Camry
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^ Is that a joke or for real?

Either way it is a joke - why not use the subaru logo and brand name? Is it because chev is american and many in that part of the world want to be more american than they really are or ever will be?

Cheers

Bennie
 
That's just dirty - and not in a good way!

Cheers

Bennie
 
And the Forester wasn't the only thing GM got their hands on. What do you think about this "Saab-aroo" :lol:
This also explains why Suzuki has an identical AWD system to Subarus.

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Hmmm... I didn't know about the suzuki thing either! What models were they?

I've seen a saabaru in america - I'm not sure that we got them out here, but I could be wrong. I think it was a gen2 liberty or something of the like...

Cheers

Bennie
 
That comparison with the Rav 4- disappointing. Putting a Chev badge on a Subaru- what a way to destroy re-sale values!
 
That comparison with the Rav 4- disappointing. Putting a Chev badge on a Subaru- what a way to destroy re-sale values!

You've got that right partner. I like Chevy trucks, not Chevy-roos! They may not know the difference out there though.....
 
A friend of mine hired a landcruiser for an outback work trip and when they got to the lot all they had was a brand new rav4. It was absolutely rooted with 2500 km on the clock by the end of the trip. No crashes jus torn apart by corrigations.

Good soccer mum car but not for off road use.
 
Gidday Tempo & ST

Rav4 has better trunk , that it...

Just as with Foresters, it all depends on which model. Both were smaller in the past. SWMBO's 2009 MY10 is significantly larger than my 2006 MY06.

A friend of mine hired a landcruiser for an outback work trip and when they got to the lot all they had was a brand new rav4. It was absolutely rooted with 2500 km on the clock by the end of the trip. No crashes jus torn apart by corrigations.

Good soccer mum car but not for off road use.

Again, I think that the earlier Rav4's were better for all-road use than the later ones are. For me, the death knell sounded when they dropped the constant AWD in favour of the Honda style system of AWD "on demand". Unfortunately, this is usually just a millisecond or two after one actually needs it, and will destroy the balance of the car at what can be the worst possible moment, IMHO.
Neither the Fox nor the Rav4 is a replacement for a LC ...

We are very happy with the balance of both of ours.

A good friend has just swapped her 12 y.o. mid-sized Ford wagon (I don't know the model) for a 2010 MY10 Forester X auto (mostly basing her decision on how happy we are with all of ours, and having been driven around in SWMBO's, as well as giving it the once-over-lightly.
She is just delighted with her new baby, and is amazed at the stability and greater confidence the car has given her in only a few days, after taking it down to the farm at Bunyip and back in pouring rain etc.
She specifically mentioned that she would previously have pulled over when driving back in the rain at night, and have arrived home exhausted. In her new Fox, she was particularly impressed with the handling, brakes, comfort and general driving balance of the vehicle over her Ford. She remarked that she arrived home feeling as if she had just driven to the shops and back - calm and relaxed.

Having said all that, I do think that Subaru offer some of the very best design and engineering one encounters in the sub-$100K market, even if they may not be the flashiest nor the top spec in (largely useless?) fashion extras!

As I have said many times here and elsewhere, most consumer durables should have a respectable balance between fitness for purpose, utility and likeableness ...
IMO, balance is that most important of ingredients, often noted by its absence ...
 
You'll get yourself in all kinds of hot water with all that quoting! :rotfl:

I agree, I'm yet to be impressed by any "on demand awd system"'
 
Gidday ST & Thunder

You'll get yourself in all kinds of hot water with all that quoting! :rotfl:

I agree, I'm yet to be impressed by any "on demand awd system"'

I like a goodly amount of hot water, usually twice a day, but sometimes more frequently ... :lildevil:

As for the other, me neither.
Better to be able to choose 2WD/4WD HR/LR as appropriate before getting oneself into difficulty, IMO.

Either that, or have an "intelligent" constant AWD system, as Subarus and some other cars have.

the only benefit of the the other AWD systems are the lock options that are available in both the rav4 and the x-trail

I grant you that it can be a benefit sometimes, Thunder.
I am unconvinced that it is a particularly suitable system for our kind of vehicles however.
Different situation completely from that of big, work 4WD vehicles, whether passenger or goods vehicles.

Toyota reckoned that my vintage tray top and deep well ute bodied LCs would carry a ton anywhere, and I never found any reason to doubt that for an instant. In fact my 1968 LC deep well ute would carry a ton almost anywhere while towing around 2 tons of horse float behind it ... AND do it all year round, if needs be.

I towed said horse float (full of horses) from Brisbane to Adelaide. The back of the LC was very full as well. It spewed out all the oil in the transfer case by Rankin Springs (IIRC). Completely empty. The casing was almost red hot ... . The mechanic re-filled it, and then we drove on to Adelaide. I reconditioned the transfer case some 2~3 years later.
If one ran any modern car gearbox or transfer case completely empty in this way, that would be the end of it, then and there. Let alone with a ton in the back and 2 tons on behind ... Bloody tough!!

That sort of treatment (even scaled down to suit) would wreck our vehicles pretty quickly. They simply are not designed for that sort of very rough treatment. These days, neither is a LC GLX s/w ...

That having been said, my LC was beyond primitive in almost every conceivable way. Tough as old boots, but primitive!

For almost every use I have for it, the Fox is vastly superior, and much of that is down to the superbly designed and engineered constant AWD and suspension systems. Not being a one-trick pony, Subaru extend this design philosophy and balance to the rest of these cars, and to their other models as well.

I, for one, appreciate that care in design and build quality and balance.
I do not lose any sleep at all that my car/s cannot compete with a Maybach V12, or a 1968 LC ... :ebiggrin: :lol: :rotfl:
 
The problem with the X-Trail is that it drops 4WD /AWD lock at 40 KLM/hr; a member of our club with an X-Trail had many many attempts at getting up the hard part of Big Red last year - couldn't do it. It would get near the top and go into FWD. (The member now has a Ford Ranger!)
 
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