Lockers - General Discussion

scalman

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airing down anyt tires on any surface is better then locker. for open diff acting older subarus that should be specially good difference like night and day
 
Something must be wrong with the locker in your car if that is your experience.
 
I just rang Dave and abused him no end. All that money wasted when I could have just lowered my tyre pressures to get a better result. To that end, I’ll write a letter to Ford, Iveco, Jeep, Nissan, GMH and Toyota to make them aware of this breakthrough. I’m sure their reaction will be the same as mine.
 
yes all money wasted if you not aired down. you can be as cool as want with all lockers and get stuck in one place wont move anywhere with all those fancy mods of yours. its funny and sounds stupid maybe but so many ppl still doing that . i got stuck ... you have lockers on ? Yes. Aired down ? No. ...
 
You said that airing down is more effective than a locker. I suggest you go diagonally up an incline with 2 wheels lifted with open diffs and whatever pressure you want, and I’ll do the same on highway pressures with my diffs locked. I don’t know about sand or snow, so I won’t comment about those conditions. But I do know about dirt and rock and mud. And I know that when a tyre is not in contact with the ground, it has no grip, irrespective of pressure.
 
airing down any tires on any surface is better then locker.


I'm suspecting potential language difference here as lockers are awesome for gains in traction off-road.
 
no not about lifting wheels about going up hill normal loose gravel how far lockers will get you with full aired tires ? or how far you would go in deep snow. maybe you dont know that but i know. then soft sand, if your normal psi doing well in sand imagine how better it would go aired down. again plenty videos of ppl testing that.
locker is nice and all just first thing for someone who think how to get best from off roading is air down , not think im not going far though i need locker .
 
You said that airing down is more effective than a locker. I suggest you go diagonally up an incline with 2 wheels lifted with open diffs and whatever pressure you want, and I’ll do the same on highway pressures with my diffs locked.

Then you won't get very far irrespective of your driveline, neither will someone with open diffs & tyres aired down

When anyone looks through a long tunnel, all they see is a very small field of view at the end whilst ignoring everything at the side. The same goes for opinions.

If anyone thinks offroad performance is all about lockers/LSDs & nothing to do with tyre type or pressure, their field of view is very limited & so will be their offroading potential.

Conversely, if anyone thinks it's all about tyre pressures, they will be missing out on a lot of variety

Again, if anyone thinks offroading is all about big ruts & lifting wheels, their offroad experience is very limited & they should just be done with it, buy a 4wd & rip up the tracks on highway pressure & boast to their small d*****mates how they did abc track without airing down & in 2wd

There's a big world out there. It has tracks with ruts & boulders & fallen trees. It has tracks with mud & clay. Some tracks have a loose gravelly surface, like driving on ball bearings. Other tracks have super soft sand or deep snow. Some tracks are level, others super steep with a dangerous dropoff

The cold hard fact is having lockers/LSDs without decent offroad tyres properly aired down is going to severely limit offroad performance, just as having the best muddies aired down to 8psi & open diffs is going to do the same.

Having all 4 tyres locked together but spinning with no grip on a steep clay track will see you slide off the track & probably roll.
Having great tyres with excellent grip but open diffs on a rutted track will see you going nowhere, but at least you won't die.

So what is the solution? Well, both of course! Welcome to the age of enlightenment :poke::poke::poke:
 
we live in different areas that and havinf different off road roads and we all adapt our cars or driving style to places that we live . not saying airing down is only thing, saying that its first thing you should do before going in . not turn locker on but air down. not floor it to metal and then get stuck where noone can get you and such. i saw my forester club ppl who not airing down at all just drive as they came from city then spend lots time stuck, and still not airing down, and i think there is more ppl who doing that on those smaller cars . yo ucan be on open diffs but if yo uwill have plenty travel flex your wheels will have grip and with aired down tires you will just go . saw comparison videos in snow lockers wired up vs open diffs aired down. there was no content as lockers didint go anywhere there. on those conditions it was that result. so when you see facts when you see how other drives and performs you see result from those cars.
im getting nothing but lessons from all that, same as seeing stupid ppl trying do stupid things off road doing all wrong.
 
You said that airing down is more effective than a locker. I suggest you go diagonally up an incline with 2 wheels lifted with open diffs and whatever pressure you want, and I’ll do the same on highway pressures with my diffs locked. I don’t know about sand or snow, so I won’t comment about those conditions. But I do know about dirt and rock and mud. And I know that when a tyre is not in contact with the ground, it has no grip, irrespective of pressure.

Lifting a wheel is a rare event on soft sand. I doubt a locker would give much, if any advantage on soft sand but your road tyres would perform better than ATs as long as they had an appropriately low pressure.
 
1) I’m not saying not to air down. I have already said I do
2) so obviously I agree it’s best to have both
3) I was disputing that airing down is more effective on every surface when I know it’s not. It’s all a moot point because it would be unwise not to air down with or without a locker.
4) I don’t think much of people stuffing the track either. The bush is a special place best left for others to enjoy
 
I'm suspecting potential language difference here as lockers are awesome for gains in traction off-road.
no i said what i ment. locker with airup tire will be worse then no locker open diffs but wired down a lot in deep snow. so im talking here just about deep snow. but i guess similar would do in sand and soft mud as well. locker and city tires aired up wont do much . not me saying that, tests saying .
 
^ no, this is what you said which is very wrong

airing down any tires on any surface is better then locker.

Note that I've had to create a new topic so stay on topic or the "thread Locker" will be engaged ;-)
 
Nooooo ! Please don't lock this thread, I haven't finished my popcorns yet !
 
Geez, jump down Scalman’s throat!

He’s come clean about meaning on snow... even if it was a back pedal! Anyway, any locker in snow will be bad, you’d lose traction the moment you turn a corner, regardless of air pressure! Even LSDs can be sketchy if not driven cautiously in snow.

And currently I’m one of those “dickheads” who doesn’t air down. I’m on road tyres and I’ve not found an issue with being aired up so far - plus it saves my tyre’s side wall in the rocky stuff. I’ve killed too many good road tyres on rocky terrain due to a side wall puncture that I don’t air down unless I have to.

I’d like a rear locker. But first I need to focus on a brake upgrade and new tyres for actual off-roading.

Cheers

Bennie
 
If someone here drive with lockers in deep snow? Plz show me video because i doubt that you even know what snow is.
No matter how much power what size tires and what car how many lockers , without airing down you wont go anywhere or not far. I would show you test videos but dont wanna continue argue about something that doesnt need any arguing because its just facts its not my own thinking. Just saying whats proved. And thats how physics and gravity works.
And yes my airing down tires on open diffs would go better then your 3 lockers with aired up tires.
 
If someone here drive with lockers in deep snow? Plz show me video because i doubt that you even know what snow is.

Yeah, not deep snow. No locations in Oz where that's allowed. Our snow fields are very fragile environments so offroading wherever you want is a no-no (just like most of Australia), and many offroad tracks are closed over the winter season until late spring.

Anyway, snow:

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Deep snow:

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No locker. Open front and rear diff. Back then (2010/2011) I was PT4wd, so front wheel drive until I engaged 4wd. I can't get enough driving on snow and I really miss it since I no longer live or work up there in the high country. That place calls me year 'round too :D

Cheers

Bennie

PS: for anyone that visits the snow fields, always take the time to remove the snow from the roof of your vehicle. The police are well known for fining punters with a decent layer of snow on the roof for an unsecured load. No joke, and a real safety hazard if it slides off when taking a corner and ends up going through the windscreen of an oncoming car. Snow is not always soft!!
 
That some clean white snow there . looks nice.
About lockers ..i sae new 2018 prado just with traction control drove on same tracks that older land cruisers went with lockers and large tires and it drove that better then locked older brothers. That was in mud tracks.
 
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