Phantom grip

frogstar7055

frogstar7055

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2001
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Forester
Just ran across this over at USMB.
It's an LSD conversion for R-160.
Anybody ever heard of it?

Phantom Grip

I searched the net and found a lot of opinions on this on the ricer forums.
Varying opinions,some like it others hate it.
All said it works as advertised but but those that hate it say it can't hold up.

But...........

They are all launching like their at the dragstrip all the time and drifting/hard in and out of the corners.
300 hp or more.
I believe that mild off road this would work very well and hold up.
Setting it up correctly seems to be the most important thing for longevity.
Maybe it's crap and I'm missing something but I'm giving serious consideration to trying this.
I have a 4eat trans.
I don't want to drive around on the street with a welded diff.
I drive this thing to W.V. once or twice a year and I want to retain most of it's street ability.
I just think this is a low buck compromise to improve off road performance (I'm a cheap b*stard).

Just wondering if anyone here had experience (their own or someone they know) with this.


All opinions sought and welcomed.
 
Smash81 said:
Have to wait a bit for the aussie boys to post, they're on a very different time than we are...
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You'd think I'd remember that since I lived in Japan for a couple of years,getting old.

What do you think of this?
Even if you don't have any first hand experience with it I'd still be interested in your opinion.
 
LOL.

Me? Not interested. I don't like the big mods that really could foul up the longevity of my Foz. At this point in time he's my daily driver as I don't have a motorcycle right now. I'm willing to deal with slighty less prowess offroad in return for less trouble in the future. If I really wanted to do something drastic I'd figure out how to swap to an AT transmission.
 
Well, sounds alright - but most of our vehicles came with stock rear LSD. I haven't heard of it before.
 
I cant find anything negative about it. Seems easy enough to install, some minor grinding. Most the stuff on the web is "blow our own horn" kind of thing. I did find instructions for installation, which aside from some minor grinding, seems easily reversable if you decide you dont like it. I dont see anyone reporting real world driving with it, nor how long it lasts, just track responses.


Someone has to be the test subject :)


nipper
 
Diff Lock

I am new and stupid here but wasn't there something in the old forum about disconnecting a wire under the console and reconnecting to another wire to complete 4X4 or is that a different subject all together. I have an 03 Forester and I am thinking seriouly about adding King Coils and some KYB shocks for a little more height. I drive my Forester in some pretty rough areas of NW Arkansas Mtns. (USA) and South Dakota corn fields hunting pheasants
 
camp2dogs said:
I am new and stupid here but wasn't there something in the old forum about disconnecting a wire under the console and reconnecting to another wire to complete 4X4 or is that a different subject all together.
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Old post on this board is gone.:sad: Reincarnated on subaruforester.com 4WD On Demand From 4EAT Automatic transmission only, supposed to be an excellent mod.:cool:
 
carljwnc said:
Old post on this board is gone.:sad: Reincarnated on subaruforester.com 4WD On Demand From 4EAT Automatic transmission only, supposed to be an excellent mod.:cool:
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What that mod does is lock the output shafts from trans together front and rear.
Still got open diff's so one wheel can spin with other sitting still,front or back.
Locker,limited slip,welded diff will make both wheels get some traction to a greater or lesser degree depending on which one your talking about.
 
challis said:
Froggy, I just ran across thiss thread. How did it work out? challis
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We haven't seen frogstar in quite some time, since he sold his Fozzy.:sad::shrug: Supposed to be a great mod, but I haven't tried it myself. I believe some others here have, hopefully they will chime in.
 
Improving off-road ability.

On friday I had a phone conversation with Michael at Scorpion about LSD rear diffs for inproving off-road ability.

As a result of this conversation it seems that:
  • If your wheels are all on the dirt then there is no point to this for non-racing off-road use;
  • If you have insufficient travel to keep all wheels on the ground when off-road - which would most likely result from a lift reducing articulation - then the easiest / best / cheapest way to rectify this would be to fit 'quick disconnect' sway bar links.
  • The greatest improvement for off-road ability, at least for the 5 speed manual dual ratio box, would be to fit the scorpion low ratio gears, or an early Subi box with similar low ratio gears.
This makes sense to me, but I'm happy to be advised otherwise by those who think the logic is incorrect.

On this basis, atm I'm not looking at modding my rear diff.
 
Is a combination of things I reckon. I'm still trying to see if the dramatically better grip my new diffs have in the Impreza would work in the Forrie. If they do, then I reckon better diffs would be the best bet. Time- just need time to test the cars back to back. And another Impreza to test against.
 
MY99 WRX (modified)- Front- Helical LSD Centre- DCCD. Rear- R180 plated LSD.
MY04 Forester-5 speed Front- Open Centre- Viscous LSD Rear-Viscous LSD

The centre diff in the WRX can pretty much be locked when in manual mode.
 
Thanks Rally, given that this is an old thread I figure it is probably OK to 'hijack' it! :biggrin:
On my Outback I presume the front is open, the centre is obviously viscous. Not sure about the rear, have variously been told it is open or viscous.

What I'm still trying to work out is, if the rear is open, is there any point in fitting a viscous LSD in the back, or pretty much not, as I understand from my talk with Michael at Scorpion last Friday?
 
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