Found this scary 4wd rollover footage on YouTube

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I just stumbled across this in-car camera footage of an accident occurring on a dirt road in NSW.

Original - [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN1IDGu2pq0"]Cal and Bud Car rollover 14 December 2013 - YouTube[/ame]

Slow motion - [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZN-sPiIFmM"]Cal and Bud Car rollover 14 December 2013 Slow motion - YouTube[/ame]

Scary stuff. From the footage it looks like he loses traction, doesn't have 4wd engaged and oversteers toward the edge, then over-corrects resulting in the flip. The speed he is doing is not safe for that road. The car he is driving is not safe for that speed on that road - especially in 2wd mode.

Of course, we all know that a Subaru would have performed solid as a rock at that speed on that road - however, I wouldn't feel safe doing so. I don't like endangering my passengers as it is not my right.

Drive safe on the roads these holidays. No matter how confident, competent or "fully sik" you or you car are - you cannot predict when one of these muppets is coming around the next bend flying toward you out of control.
 
Spot on, Tweak.

So very appropriate a reminder.

Imagine the personal injury/damage had they had anything heavy in the back ... Even bits of paper were trying to beat both of them to death!

Fancy driving like that with a child in the car!! Bloody idiot.

Vehicles like LCs aren't the greatest handling vehicles ever made, even on dry, hot-mix bitumen. Sure aren't on dirt. They might be very capable on dirt, but that doesn't mean they handle well on dirt. Mine sure as hell didn't.
 
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It's hard to tell because he is not fully in frame, but it seems he was slow with the oppy lock. You could argue about other things as well, such as reading the road ahead, and over correction.

Great to see the kid in a child restraint, but did you see the hit he got from behind from the luggage in the cargo area? You could also see where he started to submarine as well. But mounted in the centre of the car, he was away from most of the broken glass. Sure did move a round a bit in what was not really a high impact collision.

Don't be too sure about a Subaru being rock solid in such situations. They are prone to sudden and strong lift off oversteer.
 
That is very scary.
They were very lucky, it could've ended much, much worse.

Tweaksta said:
Drive safe on the roads these holidays. No matter how confident, competent or "fully sik" you or you car are - you cannot predict when one of these muppets is coming around the next bend flying toward you out of control.
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Thats so very true mate.
Always drive to the conditions & expect the unexpected.

Ratbag said:
Imagine the personal injury/damage had they had anything heavy in the back ...
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You're not wrong.
Things don't have to be big & heavy to cause serious injury in these circumstances.
Just look at the force from the blue drink bottle (0.33secs in the 2nd / slow motion vid) flying & just missing the driver's head.

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Tweaksta said:
Scary stuff. From the footage it looks like he loses traction, doesn't have 4wd engaged and oversteers toward the edge, then over-corrects resulting in the flip. The speed he is doing is not safe for that road. The car he is driving is not safe for that speed on that road - especially in 2wd mode.
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It looks like a Toyota Prado. Remember this is NOT a car...its a 4WD so has inherent poor handling & is top heavy.

4WDs are several times more likely to rollover than a car & passengers are several times more likely to be killed in a 4WD rollover due to the violence of a 4WD rollover compared to a car.

Of course, we all know that a Subaru would have performed solid as a rock at that speed on that road - however, I wouldn't feel safe doing so. I don't like endangering my passengers as it is not my right.
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We have very sure footed cars but once he hit that bank it was all over. A subie may not have lost control & if it had prob wouldnt have rolled under those circumstances. Agree though, best to slow down a bit for safety :iconwink:

Drive safe on the roads these holidays. No matter how confident, competent or "fully sik" you or you car are - you cannot predict when one of these muppets is coming around the next bend flying toward you out of control.
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Dad always taught me to drive around every corner as if a fully loaded log truck was coming the other way on my side of the road. This also goes for "muppets"! :lol:

Rally said:
It's hard to tell because he is not fully in frame, but it seems he was slow with the oppy lock. You could argue about other things as well, such as reading the road ahead, and over correction.
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His first & most serious mistake! :shake:

Sure did move a round a bit in what was not really a high impact collision.
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Hence my comment about 4WD rollovers... There was a great show on NZ tv about car accident investigation where they went into great detail about this numerous times

Don't be too sure about a Subaru being rock solid in such situations. They are prone to sudden and strong lift off oversteer.
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Dont you need power for this? I have an asthmatic EJ20 haha :rotfl:

Much prefer over steer to understeer :iconwink:
 
OK, some basics. You have understeer and oversteer. With understeer, it can be because you simply entered the corner too quickly and the front end just looses traction. Or, you can be part way through the corner and apply power, and you get power on understeer. Any of which can occur with FWD, AWD or RWD.

With oversteer, you can have either roll oversteer, power down overtseer or lift off oversteer. Roll oversteer is where you enter the corner too quickly and the back end looses grip. Power down oversteer is where you apply too much power through a corner and the tail comes out. This is generally fun if you know what you are doing. Lift off oversteer is where you have already set the car up for the corner and have applied power. Now. in some cases you might provoke lift off oversteer in order to get the front of the car turned in. Or you might get spooked through a corner and suddenly come off the throttle. Either way, there is weight transfer from back to front, and some from inside to outside and it is this coming off the throttle- or lifting off the pedal- that brings in lift off oversteer. Beetles were famous for it, mostly because of the design of their rear suspension and their heavy rear weight bias. And those cars are not renowned for their horsepower from the factory.

If you have a really good car and really know what you are doing, you can make lift off oversteer work for you. In which case it is without doubt the greatest sensation in driving. Get it wrong, and it will be one of the most terrifying. I use it on the skidpan, and in doing so I can execute a perfect 180 degree "handbrake turn" without using the handbrake. Incredibly exhilerating- when done correctly. I suspect many big accidents occur on bends because of this. People are not taught about weight transfer under brakes and through corners- and both at the same time is a really bad scenario.
 
^ Gidday Rally

That's probably the best and most succinct description I have ever read on the topic - thanks.
 
That's pretty much how it happens, i used to deal with a couple of those a week when i was still working in insurance. Common accident to happen, common sort of damage to. I wouldn't go as far as to say its rare for more damage to happen or people to be hurt, it's just not very often from my exposure to it.

Nice way to highlight why you put the child seat in the middle of the vehicle!!
 
I've tried lift off oversteer a few times...sure is tricky to get it right!

I learnt power down oversteer or power sliding in my RX3 turbo efi (220KW & under 900kg :lildevil:). Lots of fun but still easy to become unstuck. & totally illegal onroad!

Hadnt thought of roll oversteer but good description. Having replaced my weedy 14mm RSB with a 20mm RSB, I'm now getting a bit of oversteer as the body rolls & the front is more compliant than the rear. Its a nice balance now but I want a little more & have a 22mm Whiteline adjustable to go on.
 
Whilst no Kangaroo or Wombat was involved it is a good demonstration of why you do not swerve to miss animals. Better off hitting them head on and staying on the road than swerving and rolling in a ditch.
 
For the life of me I can't see a kangaroo, but it was mentioned at the end that no kangaroos were harmed.... An awful lot of roads in that area bitumen highways included are notoriously bad for roos & wombats...most definitely traveling too fast in a vehicle that heavy. Havachat... I agree with wholeheartedly. Some very good driving tips mentioned through this thread, but particularly this I agree with:

"People are not taught about weight transfer under brakes and through corners- and both at the same time is a really bad scenario."

Anyone who has driven a truck knows the percentage of people who do not understand what happens when you apply brakes in an emergency situation and what happens to your load and ability to control and stop your vehicle under those circumstances. Evident every time you see a car "squeeze" into that spot cutting off slower vehicles that are loaded, you know that there is yet another one that truly doesn't understand what can happen when you get in a situation like this video.

Good on the guy for sharing though. Footage like this is most valuable for educating and preventing others from having the same thing happen. He most certainly is one grateful Dad.

Best regards,
 
Except for drop bears obviously

havachat said:
Whilst no Kangaroo or Wombat was involved it is a good demonstration of why you do not swerve to miss animals. Better off hitting them head on and staying on the road than swerving and rolling in a ditch.
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Did anyone save this video?

It has been removed from youtube. I wonder why ...

I would like a copy if someone has it.
 
^ I agree, ST.

Whose responsibility is it to tailor one's driving, speed, etc to the car and road conditions?

It sure as hell isn't the responsibility of the nanny state, much as they may be answerable for their lack of feck in doing what we all pay them to do, and properly. That is an entirely different matter.

It is our responsibility as licensed drivers to fit all these things together and drive responsibly given all the circumstances, as best we can - regardless of the failings of the system.
 
Further to S2's comment on trucks.
Nothing like coming down a range with a fully dressed 9L on a platform with chattering diffs and hot brakes to teach you about 'weight', heat and road conditions [putting waves in hot bitumen]. The anal sphincter is so tight you couldn't crap yourself if you wanted to.
 
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