2000 Outback front recovery point questions

[wombat]

Hi all, just went out and bought myself a snatch strap and a 4.5ton d shackle for recovering from my towbar at the rear.

I just tried to feed the D shackle through the eyes in the front tie down points and its too fat to fit in( thats what she said) So im wondering what size shackles are you guys using when putting an equaliser strap on to recover from the front of the car? Also if im using a equaliser strap on the front and using the standard tie down points is it going to be ok or should i invest in some subaextreme tie downs?

The pin on the 4.5 ton shackle is 19mm thick and is just a little bit too fat to fit, i just found these on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/D-SHACK...48?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19c805b6b0

They have a 12mm pin and will fit through the tie down points, are 1.5ton enough to recover the car?

 

[mr turbo]

I have 2 or 2.5 ton D Shackles & had the same problem on my Forry.
I just turn mine around & slide the pin through the eyes in the front tie down points instead :iconwink:

Regards
Mr Turbo

 

[wombat]

I dont understand what you mean?

 

[mr turbo]

I'll get a couple of pics in the morning to explain better what I mean.

Regards
Mr Turbo

 

[NachaLuva]

So instead of pushing the shackle part through the tie down, just push the pin through the tie down point

 

[E.J.]

i.e. :iconwink:
(hope you don't mid me borrowing your pic Fuze)

 

[Kevin]

They have a 12mm pin and will fit through the tie down points, are 1.5ton enough to recover the car?

With two of them, yes. I'm not sure what rating the shackles are for my Foz (would be 2-2.5T), they are green and my heavier ~4T for the Triton are red.

 

[Rally]

I'm still waiting for the next 1999 questions on Outback front recovery points. It sounds like you want to cover every possible contingency! How many questions on the rear recovery points?

 

[Barry]

I'm still waiting for the next 1999 questions on Outback front recovery points. It sounds like you want to cover every possible contingency! How many questions on the rear recovery points?

As I understand it, those of us who have the 2005 model year and later Outback can't fit the SubaXtreme recovery points, as our tie downs are welded on.
Therefore, all we can do for a 2 point front recovery is use a distribution strap, connected to the tie downs via RATED shackles, and *PRAY* that the tie downs don't let go!

 

[Rally]

Sorry Barry- it was a play on the topic question/heading

 

[Barry]

Sorry Barry- it was a play on the topic question/heading

No worries Rally ... missed that, a bit slow this week! (Though I know you aren't a 'grump' so didn't take it in that way.)

However, for those who aren't sure - which may or may not include moi - can you confirm that my comment in the previous post is correct.

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday Mr T

I have 2 or 2.5 ton D Shackles & had the same problem on my Forry.
I just turn mine around & slide the pin through the eyes in the front tie down points instead :iconwink:

Regards
Mr Turbo

Just how strong are those front tie down points on the Fox?
They look to be pretty substantial, but looks can be deceptive ... :iconwink:.

I tried to drag a bogged 4 tonne truck out with Roo1 using the Hayman-Reese tow bar as a tie point. Water board truck got bogged in my yard. Made a helluva mess of the yard. Roo1 was on the concrete pad outside the garage. Nothing broke, but the truck didn't move a lot either ...

The Water Board eventually got in a heavy tow truck to recover it.

With Roo2, I don't reckon that you could rip the OEM Subaru tow bar off the back of the vehicle in a hurry ... Probably half the back of the vehicle would come with it if one did ... :lol:.

 

[wombat]

So instead of pushing the shackle part through the tie down, just push the pin through the tie down point

Thats my problem, i tried that and the pin is too fat to fit through, i want at least a 2 ton shackle but i cant find any with a pin that is smaller then 19mm in diameter.

With two of them, yes. I'm not sure what rating the shackles are for my Foz (would be 2-2.5T), they are green and my heavier ~4T for the Triton are red.

Yeah i was planning on getting 2 using an equaliser strap, i was hoping i could get at least 2 ton ones to be safe but i cant find any with a small enough pin to fit through the tie down point.

I'm still waiting for the next 1999 questions on Outback front recovery points. It sounds like you want to cover every possible contingency! How many questions on the rear recovery points?

Smartass

 

[mr turbo]

Thats my problem, i tried that and the pin is too fat to fit through, i want at least a 2 ton shackle but i cant find any with a pin that is smaller then 19mm in diameter.

You must have some really small holes for your tie down points

I just had a look at my D Shackles & they are actually rated at 3.25 ton (not 2-2.5 ton) & the pin on these are 19mm & fit through with ease

Regards
Mr Turbo

 

[NachaLuva]

I see what you mean bout the welded tie down point. Really dont like the angle!

 

[wombat]

My cars holes are tight virgin flowers...the 19mm pin doesnt fit in by about 1mm, pretty annoying ill just have to get 1.5T shackles and only use them when rear recovery isn't possible... Cheers guys

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday Wombat

My cars holes are tight virgin flowers...the 19mm pin doesnt fit in by about 1mm, pretty annoying ill just have to get 1.5T shackles and only use them when rear recovery isn't possible... Cheers guys

Instead of galvanised steel U bolts, have you thought of using stainless steel ones?

These are generally available from yachting suppliers.

I don't know what strengths they come in, or the dimensions, but IME SS fittings are both stronger and have smaller dimensions than equivalent galvanised fittings.

They will certainly cost more; of that I am certain ...

 

[NachaLuva]

My cars holes are tight virgin flowers...the 19mm pin doesnt fit in by about 1mm, pretty annoying ill just have to get 1.5T shackles and only use them when rear recovery isn't possible... Cheers guys

If its only 1mm, you could drill it out with a 19mm drill bit without affecting its strength.

 

[wombat]

Gidday Wombat



Instead of galvanised steel U bolts, have you thought of using stainless steel ones?

These are generally available from yachting suppliers.

I don't know what strengths they come in, or the dimensions, but IME SS fittings are both stronger and have smaller dimensions than equivalent galvanised fittings.

They will certainly cost more; of that I am certain ...

Mmm true i will look into it.

If its only 1mm, you could drill it out with a 19mm drill bit without affecting its strength.

Would rather not just in case, ill just get smaller pinned shackles.

 

[Ratbag]

Gidday Wombat

Mmm true i will look into it.

Would rather not just in case, ill just get smaller pinned shackles.

Gidday Wombat



Instead of galvanised steel U bolts, have you thought of using stainless steel ones?

These are generally available from yachting suppliers.

I don't know what strengths they come in, or the dimensions, but IME SS fittings are both stronger and have smaller dimensions than equivalent galvanised fittings.

They will certainly cost more; of that I am certain ...

Found some technical info here:

https://www.anzor.co.nz/d-shackle-breaking-loads-and-dimensions

NOTE that the SWL is 25% of the rated breaking load ... I would reckon that this would apply even more so to galvanised steel shackles (sorry, I said "U bolts" in my other post ... Doh!).

A bit more here:

https://www.dawson-group.com/dawsongroup/Stainless-Steel-Shackles/

https://www.dawson-group.com/dawson...crew-Pin-Chain-Shackle-us-tye-bow-shackle.htm

Maybe this type for super high strength:

https://www.dawson-group.com/dawsongroup/Shackles/Grade-80-Dee-Shackle-With-Bolt.htm

Or drop forged steel:

https://www.dawson-group.com/dawsongroup/Shackles/high-tensile-Anchor-Shackle-Bolt-Type-Forged.htm

Just a few suggestions. Hope it helps.