Gallipoli

[Rally]

Yes, man made thread warming does exist, which is why we all need to respect others opinion even if we don't agree.

As some of you may know, I have an interest in history in general and the First World War in particular. I was with some friends and we were chatting about Gallipoli and the particular issues there, when someone whose ancestry is Austrian suggested I should look at it from the the other sides view. That sounded fair enough, so I looked for books on Gallipoli from the Turkish point of view. Definitely one of the better things I have done, for it taught be an awful lot about getting a balanced view on something- and how the Turks suffered. It certainly enhanced my already high esteem for the Turkish people and their leader Mustafa Kemal- surely one of the greatest statesman of all time. (And yes, the Ottoman Empire of which the Turks were the major part did do some terrible things- but that is another matter).

These things are not about supporting a team in a contest and sticking doggedly to it come what may. If we are going to be passionate about these things, we have to seriously analyse the opposing view. Heaven forbid- we might just be wrong. I certainly have been on issues I felt strongly about and have changed my view by giving the other point of view serious consideration. So can we just play it cool and hear everyone out?

 

[fredsub]

I try my best to argue the points but did slip up a bit with the fairies thing,
and apologize for that.
But crikey its hard to do, people with that mindset are in position to drive
policies that effect us all.
I'm yet to meet someone with a bad greenie bent and discuss sensible physics with.:sad:


Hey Rally, re Gallipoli, its great you recognize the Turks point of view.
They were defending their homeland, and Australians were invading their
homeland, thats the fact of it. Turks were poorly equipped and at least
for a while most were not the trained soldiers that were otherwise engaged in the Ottoman Empire, they payed a very dear price for defending their homeland.

 

[Rally]

While I am as proud as anyone to be an Aussie, I am embarrassed by our lack of appreciation of the suffering of the Turks and their incredible magnanimity to us and the Kiwi's ever since Gallipoli.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5iaTEwgvWk"]ANZAC - Gallipoli - Remembrance Day - Ataturk's Message - YouTube[/ame]

We really need a collective upper cut to the head to make us realise this, and to look outside our own self centered view. It is this lack of appreciation for others- brought about by ignorance of history- which is holding back even better relationships between us. From everything I read from the Diggers view- they respected the Turks enormouslly, so it's not even as if we'd be doing something against their memory. And since this is my thread I should be able to get away with hi-jacking it!

I try my best to argue the points but did slip up a bit with the fairies thing,
and apologize for that.
But crikey its hard to do, people with that mindset are in position to drive
policies that effect us all.
I'm yet to meet someone with a bad greenie bent and discuss sensible physics with.:sad:


Hey Rally, re Gallipoli, its great you recognize the Turks point of view.
They were defending their homeland, and Australians were invading their
homeland, thats the fact of it. Turks were poorly equipped and at least
for a while most were not the trained soldiers that were otherwise engaged in the Ottoman Empire, they payed a very dear price for defending their homeland.

 

[NachaLuva]

While I am as proud as anyone to be an Aussie, I am embarrassed by our lack of appreciation of the suffering of the Turks and their incredible magnanimity to us and the Kiwi's ever since Gallipoli.

ANZAC - Gallipoli - Remembrance Day - Ataturk's Message - YouTube

We really need a collective upper cut to the head to make us realise this, and to look outside our own self centered view. It is this lack of appreciation for others- brought about by ignorance of history- which is holding back even better relationships between us. From everything I read from the Diggers view- they respected the Turks enormouslly, so it's not even as if we'd be doing something against their memory. And since this is my thread I should be able to get away with hi-jacking it!

haha go for it lol

Its true, we did invade their homeland. We were the invaders, they the defenders.

It was a very different time where a days truce would be called to remove the dead & injured. The conditions were absolutely horrific...on both sides.

History is almost always written by the victors, & twisted to suit.

Unfortunately I cant watch the vid as I'v exceeded my limit & its too slow to download it, but I will when I can...