Ayrton Senna Movie

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I saw this movie back in August- but it was so good that since it has now been released on blu-ray I have decided to buy it. It is the only movie I have ever seen where the entire audience has stood up and applauded at the end- and with good reason. Even if you are not a motor racing fan, this movie is worth watching even though we all know how it ends.
 
Rally,

It certainly is a sensational movie, showing the life and death of a sensational person. I also own a blue-ray copy...

I was born in Brazil and had the pleasure of having Senna as a childhood hero (he still is my hero), but not because of his achievements on the track - which are second to none - but more so for his achievements as a man. With his altruistic spirit he has always provided so much to poor kids in Brazil, most of his charity projects only becoming public knowledge after his death.

He still is so much more than just a racing driver for each and every Brazilian... Sorry for the cheesiness, but trust me: he was all that!

A truly inspiring human being!

Pedro.
 
I think the movie shows the side of Senna you refer to Pedro, which is why it is such a moving tribute and done with such sophistication. I know my heart went out to the Brazilians when he died- he seemed to be the one shining light in a country going through very difficult times, and when he died, that light went out for so many people.

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pezimm said:
Rally,

It certainly is a sensational movie, showing the life and death of a sensational person. I also own a blue-ray copy...

I was born in Brazil and had the pleasure of having Senna as a childhood hero (he still is my hero), but not because of his achievements on the track - which are second to none - but more so for his achievements as a man. With his altruistic spirit he has always provided so much to poor kids in Brazil, most of his charity projects only becoming public knowledge after his death.

He still is so much more than just a racing driver for each and every Brazilian... Sorry for the cheesiness, but trust me: he was all that!

A truly inspiring human being!

Pedro.
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pezimm said:
Rally,

It certainly is a sensational movie, showing the life and death of a sensational person. I also own a blue-ray copy...

I was born in Brazil and had the pleasure of having Senna as a childhood hero (he still is my hero), but not because of his achievements on the track - which are second to none - but more so for his achievements as a man. With his altruistic spirit he has always provided so much to poor kids in Brazil, most of his charity projects only becoming public knowledge after his death.

He still is so much more than just a racing driver for each and every Brazilian... Sorry for the cheesiness, but trust me: he was all that!

A truly inspiring human being!

Pedro.
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Haha, that's OK Pedro, you're allowed to be passionate bout your hero lol :iconwink:

Mine is Michael Schumacher, who used to share the record with Kelly Slater for the most world championships...7!

They have both been recently passed by Sebastian Loeb with 8!
Rally said:
I think the movie shows the side of Senna you refer to Pedro, which is why it is such a moving tribute and done with such sophistication. I know my heart went out to the Brazilians when he died- he seemed to be the one shining light in a country going through very difficult times, and when he died, that light went out for so many people.
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I must admit I dont know much about the man, just the driver.

Rally said:
I saw this movie back in August- but it was so good that since it has now been released on blu-ray I have decided to buy it. It is the only movie I have ever seen where the entire audience has stood up and applauded at the end- and with good reason. Even if you are not a motor racing fan, this movie is worth watching even though we all know how it ends.
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OK OK, I'll watch it! ;)

I',m a bit hesitant to say my thoughts on Senna considering the above posts but...I have never been known to be particularly tactful or backwards in speaking my mind lol, so...

My opinion is that Senna was arrogant.
He took risks that bordered on suicidal & had no reservation about deliberately crashing into another car (mind drifts to my hero M.Schumacher who did this to mega weazel Damon (demon?) Hill to secure another world championship). Alain Prost in particular copped his wrath more than once!

He wasn't a hero to me, he was a villain.

This is only my opinion. I know nothing of the man, just his actions at the track. Remember if we all shared the same opinions what a boring world it would be!

I hope i haven't offended anybody, esp you Pedro. Perhaps after I see the movie my mind will change...only time will tell.

Regardless, he was a brilliant driver & is sorely missed in motorsport & by the sounds of it, fans, charities & nations alike
 
Of course, you are right. On the track his single minded determination brought about a side of Senna's personality that was not his best. But as Shumacher and other world champions have shown, you have to be tough. I prefer the Allan Moffatt/Peter Brock/Dick Johnson/jim Richards/Mark Skaife idea of clean driving. But it is hard to ignore his brilliance and as with brilliance there are the flaws that prove the guy is human.

Mind you, Prost was just as bad yet somehow he escapes this criticism. It is obvious he cut Senna off at Suzuka- but being French in those days of having a Frenchman in charge of the sport certainly had it's benefits. Senna copped the blame and Prost got the world championship- which he got by dirty driving. Senna reminded him of this a year later....
 
Rally said:
Of course, you are right. On the track his single minded determination brought about a side of Senna's personality that was not his best. But as Shumacher and other world champions have shown, you have to be tough. I prefer the Allan Moffatt/Peter Brock/Dick Johnson/jim Richards/Mark Skaife idea of clean driving. But it is hard to ignore his brilliance and as with brilliance there are the flaws that prove the guy is human.

Mind you, Prost was just as bad yet somehow he escapes this criticism. It is obvious he cut Senna off at Suzuka- but being French in those days of having a Frenchman in charge of the sport certainly had it's benefits. Senna copped the blame and Prost got the world championship- which he got by dirty driving. Senna reminded him of this a year later....
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Haha didnt know that lol.

I certainly agree Prost had his faults...well, he was French! :huh:
Cant remember Suzuka (I'm not THAT old lol :p)
but can certainly remember Senna continuing the dispute :catfight:

(I really love these emoticons lol...& I've been dying to use the catfight one! :rolleyessarcastic::shake::monkeydance:).

I much prefer the "clean, smooth-is-fast" style of driving too, but it's not as much fun as the more chaotic, "crash n bash" style! :furious:

..... :biggrin:
 
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Nachaluva said:
I hope i haven't offended anybody, esp you Pedro. Perhaps after I see the movie my mind will change...only time will tell.
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Nothing wrong with your opinion, mate. We're all entitled to one... I'll keep my comments to the on-track side of things until you see the movie (happy to lend you the blue-ray)

I agree with you that Senna could get a bit agro while fighting for a championship, a race win, a position, or even his pure pride... That's part of what makes him a special kind of racing driver. His fighting spirit certainly inspired a lot of people, including most of current F1 drivers and your hero Schumacher...

I see that as a gift, his ability to switch everything off - even fear - and just go for it...

But not all of us need to like him. When you think about it, not even JC - who was the man 2000 years ago - made everyone happy :)

Cheers,
Pedro!
 
pezimm said:
Nothing wrong with your opinion, mate. We're all entitled to one... I'll keep my comments to the on-track side of things until you see the movie (happy to lend you the blue-ray)

I agree with you that Senna could get a bit agro while fighting for a championship, a race win, a position, or even his pure pride... That's part of what makes him a special kind of racing driver. His fighting spirit certainly inspired a lot of people, including most of current F1 drivers and your hero Schumacher...

I see that as a gift, his ability to switch everything off - even fear - and just go for it...

But not all of us need to like him. When you think about it, not even JC - who was the man 2000 years ago - made everyone happy :)

Cheers,
Pedro!
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Glad to hear it Pedro :)

I think that to excel in anything, esp something so cut-throat & uber-competitive as F1, you have to have a unique personality. A fierce determination bordering on desperate need to succeed & a willingness to sacrifice almost everything to do so would be a requirement. But there must be boundaries.

A little remembered fact is that Senna wasnt the only person to die at that track that weekend. Roland Ratzenberger died during qualifying, but who remembers?

F1 is such an amazingly dangerous sport that its competitors MUST show discipline & not do anything that makes it more dangerous than it already is. A good example is Sebastian Vettel who hasn't yet learnt this. He thinks he is invulnerable as shown when he twice drove into Mark Webber last year, also his various brilliant yet tempting fate, fast laps on cold tyres, in the rain, through traffic, etc. I can hear you saying "but that is racing, to push the limit"...I say tell that to Senna, Ratzenberger & the forty-five drivers have died in F1 alone. Racing, even, or perhaps especially, at this level demands you push the car & yourself close to the limit but not beyond. The brilliance is knowing that ultra-fine line. There have been lots of people who have done ultra-quick laps. Only the brilliant drivers can do it lap after lap after lap. Ayrton Senna was one of those for most of the time until he let his emotions rule. That is why Michael Schumacher was my hero, he was clinical in perfection, cold as ice :cool:

Anyway, rant over lol :rolleyes:

PS: JC is a tough comparison, Senna's legend has a lot to live up to haha :biggrin:
 
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That is mostly true, but it is best also to remember that the most likely cause of Senna's demise was mechanical failure- and as Alan jones said, that is what drivers fear most. Then you are in the lap of the gods. Schumacher was at least as bad. Witness his winning his first world championship when he deliberately ran Hill off the track at Adelaide in 94 so he could win his first world title. Or how he deliberately stopped a qualifying session- forget where now- to ensure another win. And so on. Jack Brabham used to run wide on the dirt so that the gravel he threw up would slow his competitors down and/or puncture their tyres.

Of course, Brabham has the unique distinction- something that will never happen again- of winning a world championship in car he himself designed. That puts him on a level that Senna, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher, Fangio, Lauda, Andretti, Vetel, Stewart et al never will be. He also changed motor racing world wide with his mid engine designs- both at Indy and in F1- with the success of mid engined cars against the then traditional front engined cars. Sir Jack may be in poor health- but he is still with us and surely his life is also worthy of a movie. The bloke is and always will be a legend
 
Rally said:
That is mostly true, but it is best also to remember that the most likely cause of Senna's demise was mechanical failure- and as Alan jones said, that is what drivers fear most. Then you are in the lap of the gods. Schumacher was at least as bad. Witness his winning his first world championship when he deliberately ran Hill off the track at Adelaide in 94 so he could win his first world title. Or how he deliberately stopped a qualifying session- forget where now- to ensure another win. And so on. Jack Brabham used to run wide on the dirt so that the gravel he threw up would slow his competitors down and/or puncture their tyres.

Of course, Brabham has the unique distinction- something that will never happen again- of winning a world championship in car he himself designed. That puts him on a level that Senna, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher, Fangio, Lauda, Andretti, Vetel, Stewart et al never will be. He also changed motor racing world wide with his mid engine designs- both at Indy and in F1- with the success of mid engined cars against the then traditional front engined cars. Sir Jack may be in poor health- but he is still with us and surely his life is also worthy of a movie. The bloke is and always will be a legend
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haha classic! Not sporting but classic! :rotfl:

He certainly is worthy of his own movie, lets hope the Aussie Film Commission reads this forum :biggrin:
 
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