Rally crash (not "our Rally")

Rally

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I first saw this video about 5 years ago and it's still a nasty crash. The bloke who built the car is also the driver, and is always at the top of the NSW rally championship. I know him personally and he is the absolute guru here on WRX's and is an excellent driver. However, most rounds of the state championship use tulip notes and this was the first time he'd used pacenotes. Problem was when you do recce for pacenotes, you're only going about 80km/h. During the stage on maximum attack, while you know braking points are obviously different, it's difficult to factor in momentum. When he got to his braking marker, he was in the middle of a jump. Despite the best tyres and brakes available, neither are any good when airborne. The navigator suffered a broken back, he suffered back injuries and the brand new car was destroyed.

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That is quite an impact, very hard indeed.
The in car video gives a very different perspective of a high speed crash.

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
Holy Crap Tony - when I saw the title I thought you were involved!

Fixored! :biggrin:
 
I have seen some pretty terrible crashes. Another bloke I know- and winner of 2 Targa Tasmania's- also had a huge accident some years ago. he crashed his STI roof first into a tree. I was sent the photos. The cage buckled, and at the roof the welds gave way and the front half of the roof was around dashboard level. The main hoop saved serious or fatal injuries. My rally involvement is over- sadly the sport is in decline.
 
Wow. Amazing driver in the vid. Wish I could drive like that. I want to do rally driving, maybe.... But crashes can happen.

Thats pretty bad. You can here the guy scream when it rolls, might of been him breaking his back.
 
Great video up until the crash.:eek: Hope their both doing OK now days.

Rally, can you explain the difference between the pace notes and the tulip notes? Curious how this might have contributed to the crash.
 
The navigator is not a bloke but a top class lady navigator. To the best of my knowledge both are ok. Tulip notes or road books are a far more basic type of note, issued by the organisers for everyone. It might say go straight for 800 metres, turn left then right and straight for 200 metres, etc. They have far less details and it forces the driver to get to learn how to read the road and where the road should go.

With pacenotes, you do a recce of the course- once at 60km/h and then at 80. The driver tells the navigator what notes he wants, and if you listen to the WRC they are pacenotes. Different drivers have different systems, but these days they are variations of the same thing. Each corner is given a number from say 1-6, where 6 might be just a slight curve and 1 is a hairpin. Or vice versa. This allows the driver to adjust his entry speed and thus go faster. So you might hear the navigator say 3 left over jump don't cut 100 then 4 right opening 300 big jump stay left. Which means he has a medium corner over a jump, and to run a bit wide as there is probably a rock or dip on the apex. Go 100 metres straight then to a less aggressive corner that opens up- this allows the driver to accelerate earlier and harder with a different line and exit. Go 300 metres straight, but back off on the jump and stay to the left of the road. You also have caution and double cautions in the notes for some issue with the road that means you can't go flat on the normal line, etc. Slippy is generally used when ice might be on the road - especially if you don't have ice tyres on- or some mud etc. It's an abbreviation of slippery which can be a bit of a mouthful when you have to talk quickly and clearly. Most of this stuff you don't get with the tulip notes.

If you want to do rallying or khanacrosses then join a car club with CAMS affiliation (Australia only or their equivalent overseas). My club is the NSW WRX Club and we do khanacross and motorkhana events as well as circuit events called supersprints and is a club for anyone with a Subaru. Any Subaru, turbo or not. A number of us have competed at state, national and even international level and to do that you have to be in a CAMS affiliated club. Having done all that I still love club level motorsport and in its own way is just as enjoyable as the big time. Heaps cheaper too.
 
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