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I am interested in finding a 4WD older Subaru as distinct from a AWD model, which I know is common.
Can someone please advise what models featured 4WD and what year they stopped? (If they stopped producing them in Australia, that is).


I currently have an old 1800 Subaru Brumby, but it is not registrable and I only use for getting up and down a mountain (off road).



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Only the early Subarus have 4wd, Foresters and Outback’s are awd.
@Jim0000 AWD subies can do lots of tough terrain as well

Subaru L Series - last produced 1994 according to wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Leone

Here's my AWD Foz doing the famous Spanish Steps in the Blue Mtns:




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doesnt mean those older 4WD subarus are better. but they do look cool for sure. so maybe because of look
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The MYs ended production in 1984 and are the same front end shape and general platform as the brumby.

L series production ran from 1984 (1985 for 4wd wagons) until 1994 in pretty much the same format with the EA82 and dual range 4wd manual. The l series is underpowered to say the least. I love the shape of them though.

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Edit: after reading your intro thread I'd suggest looking at a foz to begin with. It's got extra height over the L or MY, a better engine and has loads of supporting mods to make them easily capable of difficult off-road terrain.
You can go the L or MY but you'll need loads of mods to make the really good off-road over the likes of a foz in my opinion. I've had my L series for 12 years now and there's not much on it that's original... But I love it!
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Thanks for the post with details Kevin and Freddo.
That is what i thought actually.
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My understanding is that the nomenclature "AWD" was adopted by Subaru as a marketing move to appeal to a wider market, particularly in the US and Europe where snow driving is critical. The term was already being used by other manufacturers and, from a marketing point of view, it seems that Subaru made the right move. Any changes that took place in the drive system around the same time have nothing to do with one being 4WD and the other being AWD except that some people believe that it can only be called a 4WD if you can manually change between 2WD and 4WD.


The real world difference is insignificant and highly debatable. My 2010 Forester is, in my mind, a 4WD
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Awd is a marketing badge. However, I differentiate between awd and 4wd more for on road ability than off road ability. For me, the centre differential is key. I don’t consider a car without one as awd. And unless the centre diff can be locked, if a car does have a centre diff, it’s not a 4wd. I’m not saying that is how it technically is or isn’t. I think there is a real world difference and having terms such as awd and 4wd are as good a way of any to distinguish each
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@Beachworm - full time 4wd was replaced with All Wheel Drive by many manufacturers as they dropped the ability to lock the centre diff to be "truly 4wd".

Plus many don't know the difference between the two and also don't want a 4wd as that brings an image of a large fuel drinking off-road beast that's hard to park/drive in peak hour every day.



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Technically speaking, if it has 4 wheels and they all drive, it's a 4 wheel drive.

Historically speaking, its a different matter because people cling to the past like it's a matter of life and death. For some, if it doesn't have a full chassis and truck-like mechanicals it isn't a true 4 wheel drive.

The truth is that 4 wheel drives have evolved over the years and we now have the historical detritus littering the 4WD community.

The need to engineer a compromise into 4WD design came about as motoring itself moved from short distance utilitarian transport to long distance luxury transport as a primary function of the vehicle. People who couldn't afford to own both a 4WD truck and a luxury sedan constituted a ready market for what has come to be known as a crossover vehicle (the ute, conceived, born and now deceased in Australia is another example of automotive engineering compromise).

What we seem to refer to as AWD vehicles incorporate the refinements that modern technology has made possible with the capacity to negotiate difficult terrain and unsealed surfaces with varying degrees (usually somewhat compromised) of ability.

This means that even an SG Forester is still a 4WD (I seem to remember seeing a 4WD badge on the back of one today). Is it valid to draw a distinction between a Forester with an owner-fitted switch to change a variable centre differential into a locker and a later model Forester with a manufacturer fitted computerised system that makes a similar variable centre differential into a virtual locker. The latter, in some circles technically better because it allows all the engine's torque to be sent to the wheels with grip rather than just 50%. The only real advantage of a switchable locker that has been pointed out to me previously is that it is proactive, tending to prevent loss of traction completely.

This argument is now having an impact on Subaru owners, preventing us from taking our vehicles into places designated for 4 wheel drives. The group that oversees the management of North Stradbroke Island National Park has specifically designated the island's beaches a no-go area for All Wheel Drives. They have made no attempt to define the difference between All Wheel Drive and 4 Wheel Drive. My communication with them informed me that a permit will only be issued for vehicles where 4Wheel Drive can be selected but at other times operate in 2WD. Any person who applies for a permit on line and is deemed by the rangers to be driving an AWD will be evicted from the national park and will not be given a refund.

I pointed out to them that this would also exclude Landrovers/Rangerovers other than the Defender, several Toyotas including Landcruiser AWDs The Jeep Grand Cherokee (which wouldn't be a bad move anyway) and many other competent off-roaders that have constant or permanent 4WD. I received no response.

The talk is that the same restriction will eventually be applied to Bribie Island and Fraser Island. How long will it be until all National Parks operate under the same regulations. Where will we go then? There will be no Offroad Subarus in Australia!

Please don't put the brand down. Subarus are 4WD. Those that are plated MC in Australia are off-road 4WD (look up the definition of MC). Let's get it right or we'll all be looking for something else to drive!
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Ah so you have an agenda behind your question/quest to work it out. That changes the game.

I bet you'll find those making the decisions come from a "traditional" 4wd background. You can also bet your bottom dollar that those AWD rigs you've listed above will be allowed in. It's politics gone wrong.

You'll have to deal with this as a political issue - get a group of like minded people together and start rallying your local state members.

There will still be plenty of awesome places to go 4wdn without these permits or restrictions - and there will be less "my 4wd is bigger than yours" mentality found there too. Those islands are going to be ruined by the number of muppets that think they know better than everyone because of the vehicle they drive.

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