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yup - they seem to be the best value performance oriented tyre in the right size around..


Tyre manufacturer's are odd - I looked for Yoko C-drives, which I had a couple of changes back; they were great. Don't make them in my size any more. Same with most other manufacturers.. they want to sell you an eco &/or low-noise tyre
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they want to sell you an eco &/or low-noise tyre
Probably better margins, because most of those are crap from my experience.
I'm putting RE003s back on my SVX (although it does have two almost new ones on the front already). I've heard they do well off road.
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depends what you call off road driving. some sand driving just air down street tires and go on sand a little. mud not so much. rock another different matter, so it depends. for your area who knows what you have there.
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I'm putting RE003s back on my SVX (although it does have two almost new ones on the front already). I've heard they do well off road.
You used the wrong smilie, you shaould have used this one...

If you ever plan on taking the SVX offroad on the muddy tracks you get up there, RE003s are the absolute worst possible tyre you could choose. There are videos of a Subaru with a brilliant driveline having no grip because of them, incl one where another Subaru with totally stock driveline & ATs made it through easy as you please
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If you ever plan on taking the SVX offroad on the muddy tracks you get up there, RE003s are the absolute worst possible tyre you could choose. There are videos of a Subaru with a brilliant driveline having no grip because of them, incl one where another Subaru with totally stock driveline & ATs made it through easy as you please
THe RE003s are to pass roadworthy. the price is comparable to cheapies', so why not get something a bit better.

Once I've worn them down a bit (should be a lot of fun), I'm looking at a D697 (again price is a key factor) in 235/60/16 100H as they are rated a bit higher for speed. Not as high as they should be, but I haven't seen an A/t tyre with a ZR rating.
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I haven’t seen the video Matt refers to, but I have seen as I have said before where those on all terrain tyres were stuck and me on my RE002’s got through the mud first time, even with a trailer
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The RE003s are a brilliant road tyre. I have them on the SH and also fitted them to my elderly mothers sport car which I baby sit. They are like a slick and very sticky. Unfortunately the fuel consumption is not at good with them. Ok on made gravel roads but not on unmade roads or tracks.
My neighbour has a different experience having replaced 3 out of 4 in the 12 months since getting them due to sidewall failure.
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Well, AT tires are not going to make a big difference in mud. But we have covered the topic 100 times already.

In fairness to Rally, we use performance Nitto 420S tires on the Tribeca. They stick like glue and are tough as nails. In fact, the tread area has more plies (6) than my tough P-metric Wildpeak AT3Ws (5). Now, the Wildpeaks have the same sidewall protectors as the toughest E-load AT tires whereas the 420s are completely bold. And the Wildpeaks have mighty tread blocks with the 420S looking like rally tires in comparison. The 420s would have mediocre grip in most off-road terrain (except pure sand or mud which equalize most tires) but there is no question about them being tough. We have not had a puncture on road. They may be the only road tires we have had that have not been punctured around town.

I can see how if you stick to maintained dirt, sand, and occasional mud a performance tire may seem like the best thing overall. But that's not what we do offroad. We need tread blocks and voids that allow the tires to bite loose in different ways terrain with lots of rocks of all sizes and also tires that have strong enough sidewalls to be trusted in the rocks.

And again, the entire debate started because -- if I recall correctly -- Rally pitched his claim as a generally valid one instead of something that applies to a specific driver, specific tire, and a specific car.

For most folks, picking a random AT tire is a much better choice than picking a random street tire. If you are as deeply into tires as some of us have become , then you may find a way to go against the grain and be happy.
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its enough to look of videos what tires people using off road. not need debate there at all about that. other thing depends where you live and on what ground you drive. there is nothing VS about those tires. AT tires are AT tires. i use them now in winter on snow and they doing fine.
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It’s over a year since I first posted this thread and I still believe what I wrote then was correct. Since then, I have bought the Ranger and fitted all terrain tyres of LT construction to it. I haven’t driven in the rain since then. Nor have I taken it off road.

I drive the Ranger totally differently to the Forrie. In the Ford, I just cruise along as this seems to suit the car best. I certainly don’t attack corners or go deep under brakes. I don’t gun it off the line or drive it in any form of spirited driving. It’s not that sort of car.

While the Forrie is no wrx, it’s a car you can really enjoy driving on the road. Here’s a car you can embarrass guys on bikes through twisty corners. Or embarrass the odd V8 driver. Then go off road, air down and embarrass all the other Forries on all terrain tyres.

I appreciate better now though that not everyone wants to have a car that can be enjoyed on road through corners. That there are Forester owners who drive their Forrie the way I drive the Ranger. In which case the all terrain tyre, as long as you don’t get punctures like I used to, isn’t the worst thing you could do to your car.
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