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Yes its larger as have extra hole in front but they seems like made from same steel thickness and all and its verys strong place to be as recovery points. Would be nice to have same on both sides. Some say forester 1 havr similar style those plates and they fit shackles. Or just makr those holes round to fit shackle.
And we used there some kinetic ropes 10 ,12m long and they where amazing to pull others out or me. Compare to normal recovery straps ropes where so much better and softer on cars.
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Interesting discussion guys.

I was, and still am very concerned about using snatch recoveries on my SH Forester because it doesn't have rated recovery points. On the rear I am happy to use the tow hitch receiver with a rated pin but at the front, it's a different story. The tie down loops are just that and the tow ring that screws into the front bumper is for towing. Even though the driver's handbook uses the term 'recovery" I was not convinced so I wrote to Subaru and asked them exactly how these points should be used.

Subaru replied saying that all three points are suitable for recovery from mud and sand using towing as a recovery method. They do not, under any circumstances, recommend that a snatch recovery be attempted using these attachments. I have purchased a distribution hitch to allow both tie-down hooks to be used in an emergency but I would try everything else first.

I have raised this as an issue with SubaXtreme and suggested to them that a modified method of attaching a bull bar could incorporate proper recovery hooks. The said they would be willing to discuss it but I have not taken that step at this point.
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some discussion on gen3 legacy/outback points here

https://offroadsubarus.com/showthread.php?t=6345
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Why i didint thought of that. To take another pasenger side point and put it on driver side so they both would have same holes .then they both can take shackle . maybe even make it stronger. Its very nice that we still have those bolted points not welded.
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So kinetic / snatch rope is better then snatch strap yes?
Local guys here prefer ropes and some large ones 25mm even. But they take space like half trunk haha.
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Why i didint thought of that. To take another pasenger side point and put it on driver side so they both would have same holes .then they both can take shackle . maybe even make it stronger. Its very nice that we still have those bolted points not welded.
A good weld is stronger than a bolt in my opinion. Not that I can weld any good but.
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Im not good welder as well , just learning and best thing to learn is by doing mistakes and then fixing them.
Bolt and weld would be best. But i doubt those point need that. If rope is too strong then something else will want to brake if you wont stop recover. Sometimes you just need to use good old shovel and jack for hour or so to recover yourself.
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A good weld is stronger than a bolt in my opinion. Not that I can weld any good but.
.. the advantage with bolt-on, is if you do over-stress and bend the recovery point, you can just bolt a new one on.

A weld -- you're more likely to damage the frame.
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A good weld is stronger than a bolt in my opinion. Not that I can weld any good but.
Sorry to disagree but welding has its problems. Every weld draws metal in from both sides resulting in weakening of the structure immediately next to the weld on both sides. You will find that most weld failures occur not on the weld, but on the metal next to the weld.

Bolts or rivets are inherently stronger provided the bolt has an appropriate tensile strength and is an appropriate size. Orientation to the force expected to be placed on them is also important.

Aluminum structures can be significantly stronger if joints are glued (with epoxy) and riveted than they would be if welded.


Welding is used in manufacturing (in the most part) because it is cheaper and quicker.
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I would not trust just weld so much as bolt or 2,3 better.
Good that we still have those front recovery points on bolts.
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