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GVM is total mass that can be contained within the car. By the time you subtract kerb (tare + a full tank of fuel) you are left with very little...
GA1 is total mass over front wheels, GA2 is total mass over rear wheels. GCM is total mass including a trailer.
Mass of car and payload aren't stamped on vehicle as far as I can see.
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On Subaru's website tare is 1615Kg
So kerb would be about 1657Kg
and you are looking at 453Kg max load when you have a full tank.
Non XT's are considerably lighter, so might be able to carry more load depending if GVM doesn't change.
Ignoring the legality, if I had a large mass to carry I'd feel safer doing it in an SJ then an SF. It has better brakes and stronger chassis. I think standards have risen over the years. But neither car is designed for carrying load.
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As for the 100 series, it is possible that there be 100kg difference but my point is to be sure you are using an official Toyota number vs a random google search number.
Over here it's what is stamped on the Australian design Rules Compliance Plate that counts regardless of the manufacturer.
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Ok then. So it is either the same or close to it. Again, Subaru defines payload more restrictively than GVWR-Curb weight. Either way, 410-460kg. Not 600+.
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GVM is total mass that can be contained within the car. By the time you subtract kerb (tare + a full tank of fuel) you are left with very little...
GA1 is total mass over front wheels, GA2 is total mass over rear wheels. GCM is total mass including a trailer.
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My '97 SF has 460kg payload, its written in the vehicule registration document.
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Although the conversation is now on load capacity I think that it's all still highly relevant to the thread as we are probably all interested in what the capabilities are between models....and whether the new ones can do what the old ones can do.
Agree, it's a good conversation to be had before you decide - especially with an expanding family. I had to consider this back in 2009 / 2010 when I had to upgrade the suspension on the Foz to carry a heavy load (after bending rear struts in the Simpson). This led me to purchase the Triton as my outback touring vehicle because to be truly independent for days on end in isolation needs a reasonable load. Just fuel and water in the Triton weighs approx 220kg (150L diesel, 50L water + additional tanks). On top of that add all the bar work, 2 x 100AH aux batteries, winch, roof top tent, camping gear, 110L fridge, 2nd spare, spare fully assembled strut, spare shockie, tools, beer, wine and bundy ;-) And, yes, it will climb Big Red on the more difficult tracks.

In my travels I saw many 4WD family wagons that were extremely overloaded which swung my decision towards a ute but it had to be a ute that was capable of AWD as I've had only AWD vehicles since 1981. The Triton fits the bill and it drives like a big Subie; the VW Amarok being an AWD would probably be good as well but it wasn't released at the time and was going to be more expensive (I've driven my son's Amarok and it is very comfortable).
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So, yes, 410-460kg.

I agree that it is bad not only to be overloaded but also near the limit. Offroad performance degardes considerably at that point.
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Yes, and this is the primary reason I started this thread. On the last few trips I have gotten very close to the vehicle's capacity. Handling and dynamics are compromised and the benefits of light weight are no longer there. My rear struts were so close to bending and the spring perches were 9mm from the tyre. If I could do it all again Id keep the oem struts just with 2" lift but king springs are a bit weaker than oem.

I'm sure I could source a low km SF and do a dedicated offroad build based on all the knowledge we collectively have......but if we decide to have a second child it would be overloaded again.

The vehicle I require needs to be able to carry 500-600kg without showing it really. Put 450kg in an SF and it really feels maxxed out - especially on big red and similar dunes.
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Just fuel and water in the Triton weighs approx 220kg (150L diesel, 50L water + additional tanks).
[Off-Topic] Those additional tanks must be pretty small, or are you talking just the weight of the tanks, in which case they're pretty heavy..?!! [/Off-Topic]
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