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Old 21st October 2017, 03:23 AM
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More likely $59K (base model Prado) to $120-130K for a Sahara! then add options!

I've probably said it before, my son had a Wrangler and it was great offroad i.e. spent more time in the workshop than onroad. But, really, when working it was an awesome machine but getting it home was always the problem!
By the way, what year and exact model and trim was the problem Wrangler? I assume it had a diesel engine and thus an export-only model.

The 2012+ engine and transmission have been pretty solid, though the transmission has a reputation for being very uninspiring, and most problems seem to come from putting overly big tires on low-end trims without strengthening the front axle.

The new, JL/JLU Wranglers will offer the current V6 (only one engine on 2007-2018s, first an awful V6 and then a pretty good one) as standard and will move to a new I-6 in a couple of years. However, they will also offer a turbo 4 and a diesel, the advantages of which I cannot fathom in the US case as it actually gets less payload and the same towing. As for the 2.0 turbo 4, well, there are many people who buy the Wrangler for the convertible experience so I guess it would make sense for them. I do not know why anyone who goes unpaved would want an over-stressed turbo engine on a vehicle that excels in technical rock crawling.
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In fact, I am still to find anyone other than myself who takes newer Subarus on 4x4 roads with any regularity in the SW.

My 2016 Forester plays in the dirt regularly! Family camping trips always involve offroad tracks.
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My 2016 Forester plays in the dirt regularly! Family camping trips always involve offroad tracks.

Sorry, meant Southwest U.S.A
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By the way, what year and exact model and trim was the problem Wrangler? I assume it had a diesel engine and thus an export-only model.
Yep, it was auto diesel and the engine was mainly good. It was a JK series 2008 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport.

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Yep, it was auto diesel and the engine was mainly good. It was a JK series 2008 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport.

I have no idea about that powertrain. If it had the same transmission as the other auto 2004-2011 Wranglers, that transmission was known as uninspiring and happy to overheat. The auto before that was an ancient but bulletproof 3 speed while the auto since 2012 is a Mercedes 5-speed which is reviewed as a quality unit with insufficient gears to bring the best out of the Pentastar V6 that has been used since 2012 (and is considered a very good engine). The next auto will be the ZF 8 speed, which is excellent.

I assume the diesel has a bunch of other components that increase complexity.

I also think those Wranglers had bad ball joints and questionable brake lines. Generally, I would not like a 2007-11 JK at all because of a poor engine, fair transmission, Spartan interior, and general suspicion of the company that produced it... At least since 2012 the powertrain and the interior dramatically improved.

The TJs are very interesting as trail rigs though (again, specific to US Southwest offroad conditions) and I like the 2012+ but they are far too pricey as a % of what they cost new (best value retention you will find in the US). So, here it is best to buy a Wrangler new or try to get a diamond in the rough among the TJs.
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I assume the diesel has a bunch of other components that increase complexity.

I also think those Wranglers had bad ball joints and questionable brake lines.
The diesel was the least of the issues, and yes, it's front wheels were often looking at each other instead of straight ahead. When brand new it broke down on the drive home! A real lemon with no lemon laws for protection and I felt so bad for him as it was his first brand new car. I did tell him not to buy a Jeep but what does Dad know!
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Oh, that's really a hard way to start listening to dad!

Sounds like a lemon, yes.
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