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Default Lifting and camber.

Hi guys, I'm looking at installing around 2" of lift and was considering 1" subtle strut top blocks and kings or dobinsons.

After seeing the positive camber on a 2" lifted SF and the uneven tyre wear I think I might need to give the subtle blocks a miss and get some with camber correction.

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What are my options for camber correction?

How do I know if I have SLS in the back?

Can I get custom heavy duty springs with 2" of lift and not use blocks at all?
(still have to overcome camber issues obviously) - the answer is no unless you want to lift a wheel off the ground as spring will all but exceed strut travel.

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Why not just put 2 camber bolts in each strut, to help cure mine I put the later GD WRX swing arms in which helped by being 1cm longer.

I think SLS struts have a small canister attached on the bottom for transfer of oil/gas.
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Swing arms? Oh, that would be scary- do you mean the lateral arms? If so, remember that the sedan and wagon/hatch run different length lateral arms as the sedan has a wider track front and rear. There are adjustable strut tops available- not sure how the block would work with them. The adjustable strut tops allow for quite a lot of extra camber.
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Why not just put 2 camber bolts in each strut, to help cure mine I put the later GD WRX swing arms in which helped by being 1cm longer.

I think SLS struts have a small canister attached on the bottom for transfer of oil/gas.
Thanks d_gen, are these camber bolts something I can buy aftermarket?

I had a look and couldn't find any canisters on my struts but I'll have a better look after work tonight.

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Having done raised springs, I would now recommend NOT doing em.

I would do 2" lift blocks which will have camber adjustment, so you wont need camber bolts, which I would only use at the rear...they're a little too scary to have in the front! (The factory camber bolts are huge, aftermarket are fairly thin & have a reputation for slipping/breaking if fitted poorly or using cheap ones. Dont use H&R bolts...they're dangerous!)

If you do want to put in camber bolts in the rear, I'd recommend Whiteline:
Whiteline Camber Bolts, KCA414, US$65+P

I'd keep the standard springs front for extra wheel travel esp drop, & maybe HD springs rear to prevent sagging & boost load carrying capacity.

Whichever you do, its important to get a wheel alignment done immediately as wear on your tyres can be extreme!

Bodge from this forum will do you a set of lift blocks, send him a PM
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Stilson you can get adjustable chamber bolts as D-Gen said.
If you get Whiteline ones or some decnt branded ones then they won't break.

You cna get the front and rear and the could do raised springs and 1" blocks. Or go with just raised springs and 2" blocks with chamber correction if you want to go silly like myself

Only the Base model Foresters didn't have SLS. Yours being XS would.


Bodge hasn't been around for a while, ive been tying to contact him as I want to upgrade my lift ASAP. Anyone else able to get ahold of him?
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2" blocks with camber correction sounds like the best solution and will save me heaps of money, plus I keep the SLS (if I have it?).

If I can't get hold of Bodge is there an alternative fabricator?

Thanks guys

Ps keep the opinions coming im happy to change my mind if presented with new information.
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Ok, this is where a lot of people get conned (Taz) from what I've just read the only model to get self leveling struts is the TURBO Forrester, here is a pic of the one that obviously needs to be replaced because different, if it looks the same as your front strut then you DO NOT need to replace it like I've been trying to tell people (Taz lol) for ages but now just proved it.

I have a a set of ordinary complete rears sitting here just in case you need them for $60 the pair.

RALLY, these things that I made all shiny on my Liberty that came off the V3 STI, on the GD 01> sedans they are 1cm longer, they do need minor modding & I can never remember what they are called.






Probably a con put out by the likes of Whiteline & King etc so they can con suckers (no names though I did warn you hahaha) into buying new struts.

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Opps should of done my research into the SLS for what models.

If you put in 2" strut lift blocks (with camber correction) you don't need to change your struts. You can keep your springs and struts all round then if the rear ever becomes saggy or the struts collapse(or you want more lift) then look into that at a later point in time.
This is the cheapest and easiest option.

You can contact Jeff at Crossbred for a quote too. I will be odering mine soon so if you want to talk and we can see if we can get anything cheaper by buying two sets
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Struts really don't have anything to do with the height of the car, they just provide dampening/rebound, it's the springs that hold the car up unless the strut is physically longer than the original, if you push a strut down with your hand it'll stay like that until you take the weight off it.
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