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Unread 16th January 2015, 05:53 AM
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Gidday Greeno

A warm to the ORS forum and its motley crew, mate ... .

AFAIK, fly by wire was introduced with the series I SG. If you have ever looked at the cruise control setup on the SF, you will be as amazed as I am that it even works at all!

All sorts of finesses of design become easily achievable with the removal of mechanical linkages.

It takes just one look at the incredible complexity of the hydraulics involved with any modern ABS and EBD braking systems to realise just how complex mechanical systems can make things. This in spite of the fact that the control systems of both ABS and EBD are electronic ...

It makes sense that the ECU would be different in the series II. After all, it has to control the variable valve lift technology and the tumbler valves, as well as having to deal with the MAF sensor input rather than using a MAP sensor, to name just a couple of obvious major changes.
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I have a 2004 sg forester and it is definatly cable operated throttle. The cruise is not the old vacuum operaterated unit but an electric one.

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^ That's interesting, Greeno.

It appears that the change to fly by wire occurred when the particular model became a ULEV certified vehicle (Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle). It is very hard to determine exactly when this occurred for any particular model ... .
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Hi RB,
Both my SGs are cable these are series 1 and are 2002 and 2004. I suspect the fly by wire would be from the series 2 SG which were released in 2005.
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Also if you want to continue with this topic, the exhaust manifolds are also different. Mine come out of the heads and both run towards the rear of the vehicle before joining together, whereas the series 2's come forward and loop round the front of the engine (which i might add makes changing the oil filter on a hot engine a PITA)
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Greeno,

I have to ask

(which i might add makes changing the oil filter on a hot engine a PITA)

what are you doing with your arse that close to the exhaust I can't even imagine the gymnastics you are up to

All jokes aside I completely agree warm it up to mix the oil but then wait 20 minutes for it to be cool enough not to burn your hand - doesn't seem very logical to me.

There must be a tool that can cup the oil filter and remove it without burning your had on the exhaust or the oil - but capture the oil so it isn't all over the exhaust - 6 oil changes later I still have not managed to not have oil over the manifold - usually soon followed by the misses asking if I have broken the car because it smells.

Back to the engine differences when I was researching the car to buy I found something that said FBW throttle was all part of the upgraded emission requirement as was the variable valve stuff, ecu and I think the exhaust. and that is all came in with the series 2 SG - cant remember the date.
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Gidday HC, Greeno and CD

Thanks for that info, fellas. Seems to me that the change to FBW must have occurred with the introduction of the series II, as Greeno has said. Mid-2005.

This makes the series II a ULEV model.

I suspect that our series I SH may be a PZEV, but can't be sure about this either.
Maybe it was the series II SH with the FB engine that introduced this?
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Greeno,

I have to ask

(which i might add makes changing the oil filter on a hot engine a PITA)

what are you doing with your arse that close to the exhaust I can't even imagine the gymnastics you are up to
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There must be a tool that can cup the oil filter and remove it without burning your had on the exhaust or the oil - but capture the oil so it isn't all over the exhaust.
On my '03 I usually cut a 1.25L soft drink bottle in half and slip the bottom of the half with cap over the filter - don't know if this will work on your '07
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Kevin,

Good idea.

I don't know if it will work either but on the next oil change I will give it a go. Hopefully I will be able to get my hand around the outside between the headers - wont solve burning the hands but will stop everything getting covered in oil.
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