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Old 25th August 2013, 10:30 PM
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I can't wait to fit the snorkel either! Just need more time in the week :P



This car is also my daily drive so it would bore the cr@p out of me if it where an auto. Tows the 1.2T boat no worries and TBH I won't be towing much heavier than that. Also I don't like the way you feel disengaged offroad driving an auto, becomes point and shoot driving which I'm not a fan of. Had no issues with the gear box so far, not like I have been dropping the clutch on massive amounts of revs, you would have to be silly to do that in an AWD anyway unless you are Ken Block.
^That's what I used to say years ago because I am a manual driver but converted now to an Autobox lover, but in saying that, I still love manual vehicles being currently owner of a WRX, Forester GT, Liberty GT Spec B with an STI 6 speed, Suzuki Vitara 4WD wagon lifted with 33" BF Goodrich ATR and a 10 ton Isuzu crane truck. I respect your gearbox choice hydrowill and scooby2 but you can't be too negative on Autobox especially with the new technology nowadays. These are some facts on Autobox:
Ken Block's car is an Auto sport shift and so with the latest WRC rally cars.
The fast winning cars in Drag strips are Auto including the top fuel drag cars.
Formula 1 cars are all Autobox sportshift.
Offroad competition 4WD's are nearly all Auto's including the Rock Crawlers.
These are just some that I can think of now, I don't think these drivers of the above cars are bored cr@p driving them.
The Subaru manual box are fine in offroad and no problem towing a load going forward but it's not ideal when you reverse up on a slight slope driveway doing maneuvering/parking a good size boat or a trailer. Same thing when you are in a situation where you have to reverse uphill on a 4WD tracks. I will guarantee you that you will slip that clutch, no matter how good driver you are. I don't point and shoot in driving my sportshift Autobox, Instead, I drive very slow and gentle in many very serious off road experiences I had especially in bigger boulder/rocks and deep ruts because you can't stall an Auto. Therefore INHO, it's a lot safer and a lot more engaging doing serious offroads driving and yeah, it's not fun changing burnt clutches. Anyway, that's just my 50 cents, don't get me wrong I still like your car and keep up the good work and mods.
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Old 25th August 2013, 11:51 PM
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You do realise that pretty much every car you have referenced above as using an auto box might use a gearbox where the actual gear deselection and gear selection is controlled some what by a computer those gearboxes with the exception of the drag car is basically a manual gearbox with a computer controlled clutch. In any case the actual workings of the gearbox shares much more with a manual then an auto, it'st just when the drivers moves the stick or hits the button it sends a signal to the ecu to change gears.

With regards to top fuel drag cars, they might use what seems like an auto but it in no way reflectrs the gearbox in your subie. They normally use air pressure to create enough force to actually make the gearbox select the next gear.

I like to see a dyno sheet of your 640nm+ 2.5L turbo motor? Thats impressive what mods?
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Woah woah woah wasn't attacking you in any way man. Really did only just have a choice between the 4at in the car (pos) and a manual box. And I enjoy driving the manual car a lot more. Also one less thing to go wrong now I have eliminated the autocontroller. I do find driving an auto day to day boring.
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Cool bunch of cars you have there btw. I wish I could afford that.
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Some Auto gearboxes are better than Manuals. Such as subaru CVT (IMO).

However the 4SPD POS boxes that subaru fit are most definitely not better. The ratios are terrible resulting in massive loss of 'go'.

On topic loving your OB setup Hydrowill! Looks like mine did when it was lifted (minus that awesome roof tent and snorkel). Makes me miss it.

One day when I have funds and time to sort out the collapsing rear strut problem I might just raise it again.

Might I ask just out of curiosity why you opted to mount your UHF Arial where it is rather than the mount on the Bullbar?
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You do realise that pretty much every car you have referenced above as using an auto box might use a gearbox where the actual gear deselection and gear selection is controlled some what by a computer those gearboxes with the exception of the drag car is basically a manual gearbox with a computer controlled clutch. In any case the actual workings of the gearbox shares much more with a manual then an auto, it'st just when the drivers moves the stick or hits the button it sends a signal to the ecu to change gears.

With regards to top fuel drag cars, they might use what seems like an auto but it in no way reflectrs the gearbox in your subie. They normally use air pressure to create enough force to actually make the gearbox select the next gear.

I like to see a dyno sheet of your 640nm+ 2.5L turbo motor? Thats impressive what mods?
Hydrowill, I am so sorry for getting off topic and somewhat spamming your nice thread mate. I'm cool on this and this is just to share some ideas.

But for last time, Can I please do one more comment coz I just like to clear and clarify to Biesel's comment above.^^
A "Manual Gearbox" is the one with mechanical clutch operated physically by the driver and also it has a gear stick that select the gears which mechanically and physically operated by also the driver.
Other than that, if a gearbox has got no mechanical clutch and it's gear selection and clutch is operated by computer(ecu), hydraulic valves, pneumatic(air) valve or electric solenoids the gearbox is called "Automatic Gearbox", whether it's full auto or semi-auto which they refer as Tiptronic, Sportshift and Sequencial shift like the one I have in my 06 Forester XT with an Electronic Active Torque Split Center Differential which is very similar to the DCCD in manual box. This is the one that controlls the front and rear drive torque split bias. This feature is excellent aid in maximizing traction in offroad and onroad driving. The CVT(Contant Variable Transmission) is still an Automatic Gearbox.
I would be happy to answer the other question of my forester's modifications, power and torque figure in my own thread. So, check out my ride and throw me some question in there. Thanks, hydrowill for letting me and I leave you in peace. Cheers mate! I'm looking forward to see the fitting of your snorkel.
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Old 27th August 2013, 05:03 AM
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Dellsfoz, chill mate you've gone down the wrong path re read my post in a calmer frame of mind you'll see what you and have said following up is basically what i said on the other page. All i'm pointing out is you are painting several very different technologies all with one brush.
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argh cmon everybody just chill. We all love our Subarus. Auto or Manual. It really comes down to a personal preference OR ... what your car comes with at the time, because not always does everybody have a choice.

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Well said Scooby2

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Now that we're in our own thread lol...

IMO a "manual" is better referred to as a gearbox, where there is a clutch & actual gears. This may be manual or semi-automatic & may have 1 or 2 clutches. An "auto" is better referred to as a transmission, using a torque converter & fluid to drive the output, it may be fully or semi-automatic.

A "manual" isnt how the gears are changed, its how the box is designed...gears="manual", torque converter="auto"
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