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I tend to side with Rally here.


I've taken my stock outback into situations where the limits are my confidence in getting out again, not the car's ability. My rule of thumb is 'only drive into it if you think you can get yourself out', as I rarely travel with others.



For the 0.5% I use it offroad, as much as I keep thinking about a lift, I can't really justify it, and am sure it'll compromise on-road ability.


It could certainly do with more ground clearance -- but I know its limitations then plan and drive around them.



I think a skid plate and mods to the bumpers for entry/exit angle would be more benefit to me - these are the bits that bump and scrape the most, and are the two things which I'm reluctant to tackle any heavy sand without.



That, and get a good shop to tuck my 3" liberty B4 exhaust up into the body properly.
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It's fine to say drive a stock height car on a nice smooth track but do that on most 4wd tracks & you get damage underneath while you learn. Then there's the rutted entry/exit onto most beaches, the extra clearance is needed so you don't drag your belly through the sand & whatever is hiding in there.



That's why 99% of people say do the basics...lift, AT tyres & sump guard. Then get out there & have fun while you learn without damaging your car!


Despite the trash talk, SH Foresters are fine. In some ways the SG is better, esp the interior, but in others the SH is better, esp VDC. Same as in some ways an Outback is better & others a Forester is better
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With you on the sump guard. But you would need to either making a big mistake or going on a pretty difficult track to damage your car. That trip I referred to was difficult, yet only one of the cars had a sump guard. That car had all terrain tyres, and was one of the cars I retrieved. The other 2 cars made it past the point he was stuck, only for one of them to get stuck further on. Putting a lift kit on without having the right skills means when you do get stuck it will be harder to get you out. As I said, most people don’t need them. They just need to learn to use what they have, which will do the job.

In motor sport, we say the same thing to newcomers. Learn car control first, then do your modifications. A couple of weeks ago I jumped into the passenger seat of a wrx at the skidpan. It was his first time out, first course. He had modified his car before he had leaned to drive it. He got it all wrong and couldn’t do the handbrake turn correctly. I told him what he needed to do for the next 3 runs, then I jumped out because I had to compete myself. He had taken everything in and next time out he got it right. In fact he did really well. But then he couldn’t do the slalom. History has shown at the skidpan and on the circuit the most effective and cheapest way to go faster is to be taught how to drive for those to whom it doesn’t come naturally. Exactly the same for off roading.
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With you on the sump guard. But you would need to either making a big mistake or going on a pretty difficult track to damage your car. That trip I referred to was difficult, yet only one of the cars had a sump guard
We have different ideas of "difficult" lol


On my very 1st trip offroad ever, we did a medium difficulty track that smashed the underneath of my car, the exhaust & fuel tank in several spots. If you came on a offroad trip with us, several of your views would change overnight.


It's not unreasonable to expect newcomers to want to learn how to drive offroad in a more capable vehicle, doing it more easily & safely, & with less damage. I would say it's unreasonable to throw someone in the deep end in a stock vehicle & say "well, just learn to drive better!" while they damage their car...
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i see lift outback as just saving your front and rear bumpers. not much changed for me in driving it on road.i drive it at 120km/h highest speed no more.i see ricks or branches on road i know i have more then enough clearance for them and they wont hook up to my bumper . you guys making such a big deal on that lift . like it would totalyl destroy car on road. you need to drive car pretty hardcore on street that you could feel not so tight cornering or more boaty feel on tight corners. if i would need street car i would just bought legacy for that.
its very simple when you scratching or ripping off bumpers you need to do something with car or stop driving into those places.
you make it worse offroad if you starting put those harder springs. then you just have lift but no use of it .
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I would say that as soon as you think you are going to try your car off road, you should add a sump guard and because you will probably love driving off road, sooner or later, you will add a lift kit and depending where you want to go and do, you will make more modifications...or not !
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it became so much off topic just everyone decides what he want for himself.
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It’s not a pissing competition. If people want to destroy their cars then that is up to them. I suspect most people don’t. My experience has been most people want to test the water and are satisfied with what they find, with no desire to go further. Clearly you like the idea of lift kits because that is what your business is all about, making and selling lift kits. I am not against lift kits per se. Jumping in at the deep end is not a good idea and should not be encouraged. You can always get a lift kit later if you need it.
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I don't think anyone is off topic but sure some of us speak for themselves...
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Thanks for all the sage replies. Seems I should have bought an earlier model Forester. Seeing I've had my turn at driving fast on both gravel and tarmac and gotten over it, on the limit handling isn't such an issue for me. Now I prefer the progress to be slow and steady so I can enjoy the scenery in my declining years. We are a one car family so my SH is all I've got and my wife loves it so I have to make the best of what I have. Having said that, last Sunday's run through the Condamine River Gorge with its dozen or so rocky river crossings and one steep, slippery exit convinced me that my traction control gives me a distinct advantage in some situations. I got confused by the radio chatter of other club members about using the snow button. Snow button??? I have a SubaXtreme sump guard and one size bigger AT tyres but still found ground clearance (under the sump guard) a minor issue on a level 1 track. I've never seen a comment about the sump guard actually reducing ground clearance (it does) so even with the bigger tyres, clearance is still standard Foz. I conclude then that I should get a Subiliftoz 2 inch lift kit and stop worrying about the diff.
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