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Link doesn't work for me either could you re post?

I just figure it will be a bit like this.
Yes being proactive a locker will be far more usable then the dual handbrake system as it allows you to use momentum along with the better traction system. However I don't think the 4Kg will be able to get the required quantity of torque transfer across to actually get started on a steep up hill with out any momentum assistance, as shown in video. Where as with twin lockers you would. So single rear locker is an improvement, but just not getting the most out of it.

But I am making this comment without actually watching your video, so might be wrong...
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From my experience, a 5MT with a 4kg center is too weak on a steep hill with one front wheel in the air, nearly 100% of the torque will be sent to that wheel.

A rear locker is only effective in combination with a DCCD and probably also with 12kg or 20kg center with lesser results.
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You need a decent centre diff for the rear locker to work.
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When talking about fr/rr torque split, need to mention whether it's auto or manual & which auto, they all work differently. The VTD auto can lock up its centre when the hold button is pushed in 1st or 2nd. The MPT auto can also lock its centre but only with the centre diff lock mod. The manual viscous centre diff should still send torque to both ends if working properly.
Ahh yes. I do tend to forget about automatics. the situation I discussed assumed manual transmission, with VCD.
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Link doesn't work for me either could you re post?
Link fixed, pls tell me if it isn't
https://youtu.be/odDwsvCsqRI

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I just figure it will be a bit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5FX3K3h1d0
I still don't get why at 0.23 he applies the RR hanbrake & doesn't climb, then at 0.33 he does something else & it does climb. What does he do?

I think this is also an auto, which is front biased. It can also have the centre diff lock mod done. Bluefoz's 2nd Foz is manual

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So single rear locker is an improvement, but just not getting the most out of it.
I agree, it will still work but a locking centre will be more effective
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G'day hirdse

Yes, that's a R160. All Subarus run a R160 rear diff except the later WRX STIs

That thread Kevin showed is for a R180 conversion & locker. It's very expensive, extremely complicated & still hasn't got it working yet. Total cost for this will be around $5k

This is the R160 locker thread, check out the Facebook links for the official R160 locker page. Don't forget to fill out the survey!

https://offroadsubarus.com/showthrea...9773#post99773
No, itís not cheap but it is a much stronger set up. Itís not complicated at all. Itís an R180 Subaru rear end instead of an R160. Itís not working yet but itís a lot closer to working than the R160 locker. The only thing now stopping us proving that it works has been an issue with the centre diff.
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Itís not complicated at all. Itís an R180 Subaru rear end instead of an R160.
Exactly, complete R180 rear end, that's very complicated!!

What is needed is a simple bolt in locker. A straight swap using the existing diff, axles, hubs, brakes, etc. You had to swap all of those. Well done for doing so but it's not what most people want.
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Mate, the engine conversion was complicated. This was simple.
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haha a turbo conversion is beyond complicated as you found out

Seriously though, don't say a R180 conversion is simple, that's misleading. If it was simple you would have had it done in a day, not the several months you've been going at it. Changing wheels is simple. Changing a radio is a little less simple. Fitting driving lights or a lightbar is even less simple, thanks to our negative switching.

Fitting a R160 locker into an existing R160 diff is not simple & is beyond many people's ability. What you have done is several orders of difficulty beyond that! Please don't say a R180 conversion is simple, that's very misleading & simply not true!!

Next you'll be saying space travel is simple lol
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Converting to r180 is simple. The locker is more involved, but no more so than if it were an r160. Harrop have looked at doing an r160 and said it’s too small and too weak.
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