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Old 16th May 2018, 05:57 PM
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Have you corner weighted a lifter car against a non lifted car?
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Center of gravity is very important !

Lets take two identical Toyota Prado's except that one has a 3" lift...the lifted one will be less capable on and off road because the weight in hight will always give more movements/instability, more weight transfer thus less grip.

For example, up a steep climb, the lifted Prado will have more weight on the rear wheels and less on the front wheels than the standard height Prado.

Then, everything is about compromise, because the lifted Prado will have better angles.
This must be part of the story. Weight transfer increases while wheelbase decreases. This would explain why hugely built 2dr old Wranglers without lockers or offroad traction control can make things look difficult (2007+ have offroad traction control and the Rubicons have front and rear lockers standard).

Btw, I am keeping my Prado-based 4Runner stock except for AT tires, stock sized, and 3/16 steel plates under engine, transmission, transfer case, and gas tank plus on the mounts of the rear LCAs. If I ever go up, it will be 1.75/1.5, not 3 and not even 2".

I suppose the physics of moving rigs over undulating terrain are pretty complicated.
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Old 17th May 2018, 03:47 AM
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Have you corner weighted a lifter car against a non lifted car?
Yes, a lifted car (lets say the Prado) is probably 8kg heavier ! 2kg per corner on a flat surface but probably 100+kg heavier on the rear axle on a 30 incline

A car is meant to move and thus dynamic is more important than static
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Old 17th May 2018, 05:33 AM
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So what were the before and after corner weights?
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I think what people are talking about only applies when the car is on a hill. As the centre of gravity increases, the weight shifts towards the rear wheels while on a hill. Uneven weight distribution is bad for traction assuming all 4 wheels are on ground. Another advantage that adds to the low centre of gravity is that subarus tend to have the centre of gravity quite far forwards compared to other 4wds. (This does depend on model) So the result the weight will be closer to even on steep hills.

The amount a lift causes the weight to shift is

Lift height multiplied by tan(angle of slope)


If you are lifting wheels, you don't actually want the weight to be in the centre of the wheels, as that causes the car to rock about more o nthe balancing point and get diagonal wheelspin. Subarus front heaviness helps on level ground. But there's always this awkward slope angle where it rocks on the balancing point. And that slope varies between cars.
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On another topic, there's lots of videos of the front and rear independent suspensioned Y62 Patrols absolutely destroying solid axled 4wd's such as Landcruisers offroad, despite being so heavy. Independent suspension is beast offroad.


Y62 tows 70 series up hill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc3Jcuj8C-I


Goes good in Subaru territory (sand) too. (Bit of language in this video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TiazNPartY
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ir depends could be same car one with full trunk furniture fridges and stuff and other with nothing and they would perform like different cars. we dont see that in videos how much they have stuff in trunk. at least front isf land cruisers likes to snap front axles very fast.
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russians find mud so they put cars into it . Mitsubishi Montero, SsangYong Musso and Subaru Forester SH5 and russian Lada Niva 4x4 with lockers , larger tires with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Ef6MQfQ8c

looks like forester only have drove there with stock tires and stock heights and bumpers... i duno why ? to brake car ? but it tries still. just for mud you need at least some agressive tires and psi down. duno if anyone there lowered psi, they didint said .

again russians. why you put that white legacy there ? just why. on street mods with street tires. turbo forester looks better there. but if its manual that clutch must be burning there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mDg2SnL1c&t=1468s

is new jeep still hardcore jeep ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPp1ICpzkBo
it looks perfect for rock climbing.
at 5 min when womens tells you what to do with car ... haha xD
i would buy this car if i would be in US areas.

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Old 25th May 2018, 12:10 PM
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when you see how much those "advance" diffs cost its makes no sense for me. first that rear LSD diffs are not that made for offroading more on road better handling and stability and just helping with little slippages. traction control do more stuff and better .
best thing for me for any car is to see how it performs stock maybe with little help with tires and some lift , but no more mods. if car has more advance mods its no longer that car , it shoudnt be called that same name. hey i have forry that very capable offroad. ok but how much you payed for mods on it ? not same diffs and shocks on it. so its no longer same car
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It depends where the border between a stock and a modified car is. My Forester is still a Forester because it still has a Subaru DNA with OEM modifications ( 1,59:1 low range, DCCD, EJ22, SVX axles, SG suspension links....) but I couldn't find long stroke suspensions so I had to find something else that for me is still in the Subaru philosophy.

A solid axle Subaru is no more a Subaru for me but the people who did this modification probably say it is ! Well, its everyones sensibility after all !
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