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Unread 25th December 2017, 05:13 PM
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those new 2018 wranglers looks better on road and off it . its even higher from ground and have even lower gears . its just crawl champion .looks like a toy from side tho

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Oh I cannot argue prices. Cars in the US are probably cheaper than anywhere else. However, the new JL Wranglers cost real money. They are no longer something everyone can afford.

The JL has a lot of improvements over the JK, on and off road alike. There is nothing else like it on the market. I am very interested in the plug in hybrid 4 door that is expected in 2020.

If it can get me on electricity only around town, that would be a Wrangler I could live with!
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Unread 25th December 2017, 06:16 PM
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They never cheap . used ones holds price just because name.like really old ones. On other hand grand sherokees are cheap. So i guess all goes for name and legend that surrounds it. Still by prices in us they cost about same as new subaru XV. Thats crazy
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Unread 25th December 2017, 09:08 PM
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Actually, no, the XV Crosstrek starts at 22, while the 4dr JLU starts at 30. The outgoing model can be had for 30 after taxes, but you are talking no air condition, no anything. I am not sure if the JLU entry model has AC. It is 30 with soft top and practically no convenience features, etc.

A decently equipped JLU Sport S is at least 36k msrp. Subtract to invoice, add taxes and you are looking at about 38 actual price out the door. This is a lot of money for a highly specialized vehicle. But it sells due to image and also many people buy it for the no-top/no-doors experience, not for offroad. It is pure fun.

Basically, a decently equipped JLU Sport S is as costly as a top-of-the-line 6 cyl Outback with Eyesight active safety system, navigation, and DVD.
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Here is a hilarious case of a stuck Prado-based 4Runner Trail in 5 inches of snow during a review, passed by an Outback while stuck. I wish the OB pulled it out...to complete the story!

http://hooniverse.com/2014/04/03/rev...4runner-trail/

In fairness, I have been in the same predicament with the B9 Tribeca. First time in snow. Street tires. Did not turn traction control off, coming from a 95 Legacy this was not on top of my mind. Had to dig around the tires. Haven't forgotten the TC off button since!

But yeah low center of gravity does help. As do proper tires.
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good video how land cruiser with its famous traction control had problems in snow and how later forester just went there. weight sometimes means so much and momentum with right tires
lots of factors can make one car stuck and other just pass it .

or this guy with standard 2nd gen outback no lift no nothing. normal tires. and some extra cool grand sherokee
bad driving off road can me even good car stuck, bad decisions and such.
subarus are truly amazing cars as they are. and then even better with better tires and using right approach for situations.
examples like those and others truly made me choose car that i chose. and i even think it is even better then some people show on videos.
same reasons why small suzuki samurai are so good offroad. they super light and even as they have open diffs they can go places . with some modifications they drive around those big 4wd's
one big bad choice people make for making they cars for offroad is putting lots stuff onto them to make them heavier. thats just killing all capabilitys.
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And there I was thinking I had the only Subaru that could successfully negotiate mud on normal tyres........
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Nah - they're goodyear ultra grip 500 winter tread. Definitely a chunkier tread than HTs.
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This was my first time in mud, hence I didn't know what to do and lost momentum. I didn't think I was going to get the vehicle moving again on its own but then TheInterceptor gave me a quick run through on mud driving. Just a bit of turning the steering wheel back and forth and I got moving again then came out. Common knowledge among people who drive in mud, but completely different to sand driving. Traveling with and learning from experienced people is what makes offroad capability. And this was done with HTs.
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The best thing i like about my Forester (or ant Subaru) off road is... that it punches outside its weight class.
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that it punches outside its weight class.
I reckon its weight has a fair bit of input into its punching ability..

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