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Old 10th August 2015, 06:09 AM
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^ I agree in general, TI. Our Subies are not built like Landcruisers (etc). Treating them as if they were as some do is a guarantee of ending in tears, with an empty wallet ... .

That having been said, one of the major changes in the SG (and further in the SH) was a very considerable strengthening of front end, adding a further upper sub-frame (as part of the monocoque shell), and further reinforcement of the rear.

Kevin sent me a PDF outlining these changes. They are substantial. e.g.



Larger version here .

You can see where the upper reinforcement frame is attached to the lower sub-frame at the tie down points.
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Sorry, Duncan, we seemed to have swerved your question OT.

I suppose the structures of OBs and Foxes are not all that different ...
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no problems -- this is all useful stuff.

The message is pretty clear: you can beef up your hooks, but if you don't take care using them, you'll bust the next weakest link. Whether it be pull bolts out, bend those longitudinal chassis arms, whatever.
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One major thing to keep in mind is take it all as gently and as smoothly as possible.
A shovel is a great recovery tool.
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^^ & ^

Got to agree with this summation.

Even most 'big' 4WDs are not built as strongly as they used to be IMO - many weaknesses introduced to make them bearable to drive; and driveable by complete idiots in some cases; i.e. the lowest common denominator principle.

Treating things sensibly rarely causes them to break IME.
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Thanks Ratbag for the PDF info. Interesting! I have looked at a Gen 1 liberty, a Gen 2 OB and a Gen 3 and each consecutive model has more metal, larger sections, built stronger than the model before. So id say that PDF would just about apply to the liberty/Outback too.

But yes. I always prefer to self recover first.
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^ the full PDF that Kevin sent me is about 30-40 pages, IIRC.

As it is/was advertising material made available for public distribution by Subaru, I cannot see any reason why I can't upload it to my web site for general availability.

Thanks for your observations regarding the on-going development and strengthening of the OB / Liberty range. It makes perfect sense for that to be the case.
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The message is pretty clear: you can beef up your hooks, but if you don't take care using them, you'll bust the next weakest link.
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One major thing to keep in mind is take it all as gently and as smoothly as possible.
Exactly right. We don't have big fat trucks, we have light nimble Subies. Snatch gently, only use more momentum if needed & only up to a point, never flat out. Be VERY cautious when letting a big 4wd snatch you out as most don't understand the meaning of "subtle" (or be able to spell it )

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A shovel is a great recovery tool.
Yep, often using a shovel for 5min will help you get unstuck without help, but if not, it will certainly make it easier!
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^ the full PDF that Kevin sent me is about 30-40 pages, IIRC.

As it is/was advertising material made available for public distribution by Subaru, I cannot see any reason why I can't upload it to my web site for general availability.

Thanks for your observations regarding the on-going development and strengthening of the OB / Liberty range. It makes perfect sense for that to be the case.
Wow, it would be an interesting read. Yes, you should post it up somewhere!


No worries. It does make sense. My boss has a gen 2 liberty offroader wagon and at one stage we had them side by side at work comparing the two. Interesting thing of note were the recovery points/tie down hooks. On his, they were steel loops moulded into the chassis like an L series. On mine (and all Foresters) its a bolt on point secured with 3 high tensile bolts. I do wonder how the two compare.

One would imagine the points themselves are stronger on the gen 2 however instead of ripping a mount off, itll tweak the chassis instead as the point cant be easily ripped? Hmm...
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^ The link to the file is here:

http://offroadsubarus.com/showthread.php?t=6353

The tie-down points on the front of my series II SG are welded on, but it is hard for me to get under the car ATM ... my back's taking time out ... .
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