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Unread 14th November 2012, 07:26 PM
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^ Exactly Stilson.

We can't choose this, it is chosen for us. I think there is even something on the complainant/vin plate that specifies what class the vehicle is in.. I'm not 100% sure on this though. We are definitely passenger vehicles which I am sure of.

Personally if you want to lift your car and keep it legal. 2" lift with slightly bigger tyres would be fine in my opinion, in any state. It wouldn't look out of the ordinary and 99% of cops wouldn't even know it has been lifted! Hell I go past cops or drive next to them on the freeway, I'm usually looking down at them in their Commodores and they just wave or smile at me
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i have been looking into it. it appears that the ratbag is correct. 15mm is the legal limit (in vic) for soft roaders. the change that i mentioned for the increase to 50mm was for 4wd vehicles only
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Hell I go past cops or drive next to them on the freeway, I'm usually looking down at them in their Commodores and they just wave or smile at me
It's not uncommon to see Vic police in Foresters, particularly in rural areas. Marked ones are used as general duty vehicles, plus there is also a fleet of unmarked ones in the city.

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i have been looking into it. it appears that the ratbag is correct. 15mm is the legal limit (in vic) for soft roaders. the change that i mentioned for the increase to 50mm was for 4wd vehicles only
Vehicles that are "truck" derivatives have different ADRs applying to them all the way down the line AFAICS.

They are also not required to have all the safety features that are a characteristic of modern, passenger based vehicles. Different roll over angles being one biggie, but there are many others.

This essentially means that these vehicles might "win" in a contest of sheer mass, but they are nowhere near as safe at a population statistical level. Nor generally as comfortable to ride in or drive. Far less stable, worse handling (a LOT worse handling ... ), nothing like the stability under heavy braking, etc, etc. Both primary and secondary safety are very much worse than most passenger based vehicles.

Effectively, the finesse of design that characterises almost all modern passenger vehicles is lacking in many or all respects.

This makes it far easier to upset the balance of passenger based vehicles, and very hard to muck up something that basically doesn't exist anyway in truck derived vehicles. This is the factor in real life that the differing laws applying to each class recognises.
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Prado's which are one of these "Truck based" vehicles have a 5 star ancap same as the foz.
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Gidday Biesel

ANCAP rating does not in any way have to do with the primary safety characteristics of a vehicle.

ANCAP is measuring the secondary safety of vehicles (to a still limited extent); i.e. how safe is the vehicle after you have already hit something.

Where the truck type vehicles fall down badly is in primary safety - the ability to avoid having that accident in the first place.
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I was referencing this comment you made.

"Both primary and secondary safety are very much worse than most passenger based vehicles."
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I may be incorrect, but I vaguely recall reading somewhere that a 'proper' offroader has a differential that can do a 4x4 lock.

AWD systems are considered soft-road.
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OK checked this morning, my SH foz has MC stamped on it'c compliance plate. i just googled MC ADR to find out if this is standard for passenger cars or what this is what the ADR classify MC as.

MC (Off-road passenger vehicle)


A passenger vehicle, designed with special features for off-road operation, that has not more than nine seating positions (including the driver's seating position), and that:
  • has four-wheel drive; and
  • has at least four of the following characteristics when the vehicle is unladen on a level surface and the front wheels are parallel to the vehicle's longitudinal centre-line and the tyres are inflated to the vehicle manufacturer's recommended pressure:
    • an approach angle of not less than 28 degrees;
    • a breakover angle of not less than 14 degrees;
    • a departure angle of not less than 20 degrees;
    • a running clearance of not less than 200mm;
    • a front-axle clearance, rear-axle clearance or suspension clearance of not less than 175mm.
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.... my SH foz has MC stamped on it'c compliance plate....
Yep, same on my 2011 N/A petrol model.
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