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Old 14th November 2012, 06:54 AM
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Nationally yes but not in every state.

http://www.coopertires.com.au/index.php?page=news&id=52

Only been since the 1st of november for Qld.
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I think that national laws/regulations override State laws for this sort of thing.

A State law could make a lesser modification legal, but not extend it, IMHO.
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Old 14th November 2012, 07:22 AM
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ok for a vehicle to be considered offroad it must have atleast 200m ground clearance, tick for SH foz 215mm for diesel. must have 28degree approach angle, SH has 25 degreee fail, must have 14degree rampover /SH foz has 21degree tick. must have 20degree depart SH foz has 26 degree depart. must have 175mm axel clearence. this subaru don't list, apparently if you meet four of these you fall into the off road not soft road class so i just need to find out the axel clearence if it's more than 175mm the SH foz might be a go for 50mm tyres. I can't speak for other models sorry.


OFF-ROAD PASSENGER VEHICLE (MC)
A passenger vehicle having up to 9 seating positions, including that of the driver and being designed with special features for off-road operation. A vehicle with special features for off-road operation is a vehicle that:

has at least 4 of the following 5 characteristics calculated when the vehicle is at its ‘Unladen Mass‘ on a level surface, with the front wheels parallel to the vehicle’s longitudinal centreline, and the tyres inflated to the ‘Manufacturer‘s’ recommended pressure:
(i) ‘Approach Angle‘ of not less than 28 degrees;
(ii) ‘Breakover Angle‘ of not less than 14 degrees;
(iii) ‘Departure Angle‘ of not less than 20 degrees;
(iv) ‘Running Clearance‘ of not less than 200 mm;
(v) ‘Front Axle Clearance‘, ‘Rear Axle Clearance‘ or ‘Suspension Clearance‘ of not less than 175 mm each.
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Hate to disappoint you Biesel, but the definition of an off-road vehicle specifically excludes "Passenger or passenger derived vehicles" here:

4.2.4 Overall Nominal Diameter
The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to a passenger car or passenger car derivative must not be more than 15mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that model.

At p.21 of the document referenced above.

This phrase, with slight variations is repeatedly used throughout VSB 14 (and elsewhere) and is specifically worded to include vehicles of the kind made by Subaru (and many other manufacturers).

Unfortunately, one cannot simply play mix-n-match with legislative instruments - they must be read as a coherent whole.

Trucks and truck-based vehicles are also covered in VSB 14, but they are defined to specifically exclude passenger cars or derivatives.
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Very good Ratbag, I have made this a sticky.

I will also note, that why these are the laws it is our own personal choice to abide by them or not. I myself run an illegal setup and anyone else who does should not be judged so on this forum but it is all well and good for people to be aware of the rules.

With lifting Subaru's. Legally 2" or 50mm is all that is allowed whether it be spacer blocks, raised springs, tyres or any other form of lifting a car.
Tyre sizes in WA, you can legally go 25mm wider than the factory specifications. Nothing is mentioned about height for the WA Laws. I have personally looked this up. I myself run 225/70R15 while stock is 205/70R15. These are around 3" taller in diameter giving me 1.5" of lift. This is included in the total 50mm you can legally lift your car.
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Gidday Taza

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Very good Ratbag, I have made this a sticky.

I will also note, that why these are the laws it is our own personal choice to abide by them or not. I myself run an illegal setup and anyone else who does should not be judged so on this forum but it is all well and good for people to be aware of the rules.

With lifting Subaru's. Legally 2" or 50mm is all that is allowed whether it be spacer blocks, raised springs, tyres or any other form of lifting a car.
Tyre sizes in WA, you can legally go 25mm wider than the factory specifications. Nothing is mentioned about height for the WA Laws. I have personally looked this up. I myself run 225/70R15 while stock is 205/70R15. These are around 3" taller in diameter giving me 1.5" of lift. This is included in the total 50mm you can legally lift your car.
I have made no comment on what others choose to do.

However, driving an illegally modified car almost certainly voids your TAC insurance (State government personal injury insurance - called different things in each State and Territory); and does void your comprehensive insurance.

Not having either of these covers is enough to destroy one's financial life completely.

This must be understood. If it goes to court, there is no leg to stand on.
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So what for example makes a subaru a passenger car but a prado an off road vehicle?
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NSW was the only state that will allow you to go larger provided you have an engineering certificate. I researched it for ages and talked to vicroads the act rta and nsw rta. I was quoted around $650 for the eng cert. in the end it was better to just for standard geos and leave my car registered where it was
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i also want to note that the document you put up ratbag is from 2011 so is it possible the rules have changed?
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So what for example makes a subaru a passenger car but a prado an off road vehicle?
My guess is a chassis seperate to the body.
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