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Old 22nd June 2014, 02:40 AM
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Default EOI Group Buy - All Drive Subaroo Low Range

In speaking to All Drive Subaroo , they are bringing in 2 types of low range (1.6:1) gear sets. A HD for ~$1300 & a lighter duty for less. They will know more about prices when they get their shipment. He was keen to negotiate on a group buy so if you can express your interest here it will increase our bargaining power. This is not a commitment to buy at this stage, just an expression of interest.

From what I have been able to learn:
* L series (1.59:1) will fit with 4.111 crown wheel with some modification, ie, grinding some metal off the edge of the crown wheel. This is not in the contact patch so doesnt affect reliability. It also needs other mods to fit the input shaft, etc.

* The L series LR will fit with a 4.44 crown wheel with some difficulty. This means removing metal inside the contact patch! A remedy is to move the crown wheel to the side a little, but this is not recommended & reliability is a concern. AFAIK, this has only been done once & has no issues apart from a whine, but was only done about a year ago so reliability is not known. I'm not happy doing this!

* There are some other mods that need to be done to fit the L series LR to the input shaft. These get technical so I cant really explain them much & are covered in other threads. Its enough to know its not a simple swap!

* The All Drive Subaroo LR doesnt need any mods to fit the input shaft unlike the L series LR, it simply fits straight in I have been told by "Rick the Gearbox Guy" (famous for Venom's & El Freddo's offroad boxes) it is excellent quality (also new). He is very keen for me to get their LR even though he knows I am very short of $$$

* The ADS LR will fit with the 4.111 with no mods or 4.44 with just a "smidge" taken off. Rick says it doesnt need much taken off.

* ADS can supply Subaru 4.44 crown wheels & matching 5th gear. This 5th gear keeps the revs the same on the highway as it would be with 4.111. The ratio you need depends on the vehicle but for an SF is 0.781. They also have 0.738 (to drop the revs further to about 2700 (SF) or for an SG) or .825 (I think this is for those with bigger tyres). The 4.44 crown wheel new is ~$600 machined or 2nd hand machined is ~$400. 5th gear is ~$280.

* They can also supply Cusco plated LSDs (not sure about KAAZ). Venom has one of each! There is also a Cusco centre diff but I will be going with a DCCD

So...they are keen for us to do a group buy. They wont know any more about LR pricing until prob August when (hopefully) they get their first shipment in. The more people who get involved in this the less we will each have to pay.

I'll keep editing this post as more information becomes available. As I post prices, note that this is approximate only & will reduce the more that is bought.

So if you have been thinking about building an offroad box, get in now & take advantage of this deal. Its unlikely in the future there will be enough people to do a group buy again, so don't miss out!
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Old 22nd June 2014, 08:17 AM
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In speaking to All Drive Subaroo , they are bringing in 2 types of low range (1.6:1) gear sets. A HD for ~$1300 & a lighter duty for less.
I am intrigued by the difference between the Heavy and Light duty sets. The weakest link of the gearbox is 1st and reverse IMO. I really cant imagine the need for a heavier duty gear set than the L series set which I have only heard failing as a result of lack of oil and not strength.

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* All Drive Subaroo LR will fit with either 4.111 or 4.44 crown wheel with no mods. It simply fits straight in
I am very intrigued how they do this because there are parameters that can not be changed, distance between centres of gears etc. A smaller diameter syncro ring would help as this it the first part that hits bit with the 4.44 really both gears on the input shaft need to be smaller as well which I would have thought would make it very difficult to obtain the 1.6:1 ratio.

Do you know what the exact ratio is? because 1.6 could be anywhere between 1.55 (which wouldn't be as good) and 1.65 (which would be awesome!)

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* ADS also do 4.44 crown wheels & a matching 5th gear, all of which fit with no mods & I have been told by Rick the Gearbox Guy (famous for Venom & El Freddos offroad boxes) are excellent quality. He is very keen for me to get their LR even though he knows I am very short of $$$
Do you know what they were asking for this? This I am very interested in.
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Old 22nd June 2014, 06:16 PM
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I'm sure NL doesn't want to act as the shop front for all ADS products so if there are any questions for other than the LR gear sets being offered I suggest you contact ADS directly. Please keep the thread on topic else I'll have to delete posts rather than try and sort them out. The previous off topic discussion is here: http://offroadsubarus.com/showthread.php?t=5564
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I want to include anything from ADS, the more we include the more bargaining power
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I'd definitely be interested. I'd like to go 4.44 with out shaving the crownwheel and have the matching 5th gear.
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I want to include anything from ADS, the we include the more bargaining power

OK - be it on your head! ;-) This thread then is an expression of interest (EOI). When there is a definite Group Buy with prices etc then create it specifically for what's on offer at the offered price. Also forum rules need to be followed i.e. "3.Group Buys will need approval by the ORS staff. Feel free to start threads gauging interest in your group buys. But please get approval before making it official."

I will create a new section in Trading Post for this activity. (DONE)

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Im interested. Waiting for a date and exact price on what can be done. Of course this depends how many EOI we have.

Thanks for the new thread Kevin.
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I'm interested too, but I actually need to drive my Foz offroad before deciding if the reduction isn't enough or not. It probably won't be enough.

With the 5th gear, would it be higher to make up for the lower 4.44 diffs? That's the only reason I see for upgrading it.
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With the 5th gear, would it be higher to make up for the lower 4.44 diffs?
Yep, its a matching 5th gear for the 4.44 crown wheel to keep the revs the same on the highway as it would be with 4.111

Just confirmed their LR requires a smidge taken off the 4.44, but Rick says its not much. 1st post edited
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Can FB owners play, too ? Or is this just for EJs ?
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