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Unread 13th November 2013, 09:12 PM
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Simply..

Engineers say no, designers say yes.

A daily conflict.
To add to that ...

Engineers say yes ,

Accountants say no ...
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Unread 14th November 2013, 02:26 AM
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Doesn't take long for the accountants to be blamed.

At the end of the day, Subaru is now experiencing huge success in America, whereas they're just chugging along selling enough Liberties and Foresters to Thrifty, and a few elsewhere. They make more money out of other markets where the new Subarus are successful.

I'll be moving on elsewhere after the Forester. I was expecting to keep within the Subaru fold, but not now.

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I like the look. I reckon it looks much better than the current gen which has been around for the past 5 years. I certainly would buy one. I like the idea of the same 8 speed cvt that is in the new Forester XT.
The worst part is having a pissy little 1.6l in it!

I thought the same as all of you about the XV and new outback. But once you have a good look in person and driven them then you really do notice that Subaru still have that special touch compares to other compares out there. ....
My 2 cents worth anyway. ..
Can't beat the original gc8, SF and gen1/2 libs though! Classic ugly, well v built designs that started all the great cars we have now.

Edit: if any of you have seen what else is on the new car market today I'd still be going for a Subaru, take a look at some of the other rubbish from Holden, Hyundai and Nissan!
Go for a drive in a Xtrail or IX35 then take a new foz for the spin.
Has anyone noticed that Taza doesn't like Holden?

I'll disagree with you r.e. the gearbox. If I was to go to an auto, it certainly wouldn't be a CVT, particularly when it is the 'hero' sports model.

Obviously you haven't driven much else out there. Like VW, Mazda, Skoda, even Audi and BMW (some reasonably priced new cars out there now).

Also, remember that everyone has an opinion (as you stated). Particularly when bagging out other brands that people choose for reasons relating to their circumstances.
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I deal with engineers constantly. I have just been asked to explain to them why their design does not comply with Australian Standard. Their specification is vague, contradictory within itself, the standard and their own drawings. It calls for the use of a product that can only be installed if every structural column of the large building is servered at the base, the building lifted and then have a small section of copper link the two ends of the structural columns together, with the ability for them to be disconnected at will. The only task they have any real ability to perform is the cut and paste. Proof reading is a concept totally alien to them. Unfortunately, this covers the majority of them, and it is getting worse.
I have found now I have essentially completed my engineering course (2 exams left), that to graduate as an engineer (at least at my university anyway) there is pretty much no requirement to be able to communicate at all. Your grades may suffer slightly if you cant speak any English but student still pass.
Also what I have found concerning is that there is very little practical experience learnt in terms of engineering design (5-10% of classes focused on engineering design). Most students will happily design a part that cant be bolted together or have 100% faith in the answer the equation spits out without actually thinking about it. A very simple problem in one of my classes was to calculate the diameter of a steel cable to lift a car. Students would get answers of meters or only a fraction of a micron in diameter and not bat an eyelid. The sad part is that they would 95% of full marks in an exam for working. Its like saying the bridge they designed almost didnt fall down and the people almost didnt die.
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Unread 14th November 2013, 04:33 AM
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I think i opened a can of worms, what i ment was designer says :this look its pretty, and the engineers say :it's pretty but not structural/ not able to be mass produced. then usually the accounts get the result and say "make it cheaper!"

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Engineers say no, designers say yes.

A daily conflict.
^ exactly what i was thinking
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Its like saying the bridge they designed almost didnt fall down and the people almost didnt die.
so they would be only a little bit dead...bit like being only a little bit pregnant lol
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Originally Posted by Dedman
Its like saying the bridge they designed almost didnt fall down and the people almost didnt die.


maybe they should "almost pass" ;-)

Congrats on getting thru the course!
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Congrats on getting thru the course!
Ditto
Congrats & well done mate

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Thanks guys. Wednesday and I am done!
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Congrats, DM .

Having had some contact with people who have graduated over the last ten to fifteen years or so, I am surprised at how many cannot write decent English (and therefore cannot read it properly either ... ). It amazes me how they got past their first written assignment in first year, let alone graduated!

Not surprising that our Universities are sliding down the rankings ...

What do kids learn in school, if not reading, writing and arithmetic?
What are the teachers teaching them, if not these basic tools?
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im starting to loose faith in subaru, if the next liberty/ outback is ugly again and still no ute then i think ill have to give up haha
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